Bavaria, 1575BC discussion

[Chieftess]

I think we should build settlers and not let our cities be at size 4 or higher. It puts a drain on our income, since we need more lux. tax to keep people happy.

 

[Plexus]

Originally posted by Octavian X
Another concern I have about a temple. Can we pay for it, while making enough money to pay for the new troops, and upgrading them with a temple?

Me no like pop-rush...

 

[disorganizer]

So now a proposal:
We build warriors until the funds dry up.
The first will be garrisoned in Bavaria to increase happyness.
After the funds dry up, we will build a settler and then a temple.
After that, the garrisoned warrior can be upgraded.
Exactly at the time the funds dry up, the road to morgana must be finished.
Can someone calculate that thru?

 

[neutral leader]

very well, the proposal has my blessing. i look forward to seeing the calculations, and i thank everyone for their participation.

 

[Padma]

Indeed, I will add the Culture Department's blessing to this plan.

The MP will help preserve happiness until the temple is built But the temple does need to be built if we are to attain any size later.

 

[FortyJ]

The current situation:

• Bavaria is producing 1 Warrior every 2 turns - it should produce another Warrior next turn
• The worker connecting Spices to our capital should finish building the road next turn
• Without a road to Morgana, it takes 2 turns to reach the city from Bavaria, meaning the Warrior can upgrade on the third turn after it is built
• Our current treasury is 270gp, which is enough to upgrade 6 Warriors to Swordsmen, leaving 30gp in the coffers
• There are already 2 Warriors in Morgana awaiting upgrades

If there are no changes to Bavaria's build queue, then the following could take place during the upcoming turns:

1. Bavaria builds Warrior. Warrior moves towards Morgana. Worker finishes road to Spices. Two Warriors in Morgana upgrade for 40g each (190gp remaining).
2. Warrior reaches Morgana. Worker moves to Forest near Morgana.
3. Bavaria build Warrior. Warrior moves towards Morgana. Worker begins building road to Morgana. Warrior upgrades to Swordsman (150gp remaining).
4. Warrior reaches Morgana.
5. Bavaria build Warrior. Warrior moves towards Morgana. Warrior already in Morgana upgrades to Swordsman (110gp remaining).
6. Warrior reaches Morgana.
7. Bavaria build Warrior. Warrior moves towards Morgana. Warrior already in Morgana upgrades to Swordsman (70gp)
8. Warrior reaches Morgana.
9. Bavaria build Warrior. Worker finishes road to Morgana. Warrior moves to (and reaches) Morgana. Warrior already in Morgana upgrades to Swordsman (30gp).
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   Of course, the last warrior built could be upgraded if we secure some additional funds or it could be used as a garrison.
   
   This scenario results in a total of 8 (or 9) Swordsmen by the time the road to Morgana is complete. The last Swordsman should be created/upgraded coincide with the arrival of our 2nd Swordsman at the Aztec borders. Our treasury will be virtually depleted, but we will have a sufficient force of arms to handle the Aztecs.
   
   Based on these calculations, it seems prudent to direct the worker to the forest near Morgana immediately after completing its current assignment.

 

[FortyJ]

Originally posted by disorganizer
The first will be garrisoned in Bavaria to increase happyness.
After the funds dry up, we will build a settler and then a temple.

Once the Spices are connected, the existing garrison (1 Spearman) should suffice to keep the peace, especially since we're not currently growing.

As far as the Temple is concerned, I'm all for it, but I'd be looking to switch production to a Library if possible, which should be easier to produce (thanks to our Scientific trait) and will increase our rate of research (making it an easier sell to the Council).

Just my 2 cents worth...

 

[disorganizer]

Ok, so i read out of this that our queue would look like:
* 9xwarrior, temple, library
this includes the warrior already in the queue
* so why temple then library?
we can make our people there even more happy, which may lead us to a pop 5 or let the incense help another city to get happy. the library directly after will max out our culture buildings to get the 1000year bonus someday.
and also, until the 9 warriors are out, morgana will propably be able to take over swordman production for a while.
* i second you the 2nd garrison unit will not be needed.
* did you calculate the money we gain each turn? in 9 turns this could be more than 10 gold, which will enable us to upgrade also the 9th warrior.

so can we all comply on 9xwarrior, temple, library?

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

im fine with that.

 

[disorganizer]

Ok, so i read out of this that our queue would look like:
* 5xwarrior, temple, library
this includes the warrior already in the queue
* so why temple then library?
we can make our people there even more happy, which may lead us to a pop 5 or let the incense help another city to get happy. the library directly after will max out our culture buildings to get the 1000year bonus someday.
and also, until the 5 warriors are out, morgana will propably be able to take over swordman production for a while.
* i second you the 2nd garrison unit will not be needed.
* did you calculate the money we gain each turn? in 5 turns this could be more than 10 gold, which will enable us to upgrade also the 5th warrior.
* i also comply on having the worker bulid the roadto morgana directly after he completed the incense road

so can we all comply on the following orders:
queue: 5xwarrior, temple, library
worker: build incense road, then road to morgana

 

[Cyc]

Actually Dis, FortyJ's plan calls for 5 more warriors to be built next in Bavaria. With the two in Morgana now, that would make a total of 7, which would all be upgraded to swordsmen.

 

[disorganizer]

Sorry, i missed that. i will change my post...

post changed. was not on purpose. shouldnt read in 2 forums at the same time

 

[FortyJ]

Originally posted by disorganizer
* did you calculate the money we gain each turn? in 5 turns this could be more than 10 gold, which will enable us to upgrade also the 5th warrior.

I did not include income per turn in my calcs as it will likely fluctuate based on the number of units we have, etc... But, if we do end up with an additional 10gp, so much the better.

 

[disorganizer]

So i must thank FortyJ for this perfect analysis. Are there any countervoices against above proposal? 5 warriors, then temple + library? worker doing incense then morgana?

 

[neutral leader]

are we making 5, 7, or 9 warriors? all 3 plans have apparently been approved.

 

[GenMarshall]

With the upcomming war against the Aztecs. I beleve that we need 9 Warriors. Ill let you know if the Military Department needs any more Warriors .

 

[disorganizer]

I believe we wont have the funds to update more than the 5 additional (see the above discussion). after that we would need to directly produce swordmen propably. the force of swordmen would lead to 8-9 as of FortyJ's calculations.

 

[donsig]

We have two warriors that can be upgraded now, another coming out of Bavaria next turn. Making 4 more warriors in Bavaria make 7 upgrades totalling 280g - which is where I think we are. Unless anyone foresees more gold coming in, I think that would be the point where we connect Morgana to the rest of our cities. We'd have 9 swords then and can decide what to build in Bavaria and Morgana then depending on how our campaign is progressing. (By that time our archers should be attacking the Aztec capital.)

 

[neutral leader]

so let it be written, so let it be done.

 

[disorganizer]

for it is written:
'our enemies shall tumble from our breath'
(yes, it really is written!)