i was pointing out how you called us all asses and then while you did it there was this glaring elementary grammar mistake. 3 TIMES! it was flippin' hilarious and made *you* look like an ass.
this was not a flame war until you started getting heavy with the personal attacks. you weren't stating your opinion about the topic you were working your aggression out on the rest of us, WTH man?
to any of the rest of the ppl still reading this thread from around the world. this is exactly the kind of people we have to deal with in this country, as soon as anyone wants to start dealing with the reality of this imperialistic war, we get this "DON'T YOU DARE SAY" this or that about our "brave" american troops. bill maher said that best. silence the matter with fear. i think we saw what our brave troops are capable of at abu ghraib. my point if meatwad chose to actually read what i said is that talking about the war has nothing to do with respecting or disrespecting the troops. but that as soon as we want to start discussing the war in real unimagined terms, the john wayne gung ho america lovers (read: irrational) throw up this thick smokescreen about how we are to speak b/c of how it affects the the troops. meatwad proved my point much better than i did myself. bush has clearly disrespected the troops and their families much more than i ever could. it starts with our public school system, all this crap about how great america is and how great its founding was blah blah blah etc etc. america was founded on genocide, we don't find that out until much later. but even then we never come to any sort of atonement, because again the america is great blah that gets so damned old. america could be great if we stepped out of this fantasy world. but that won't happen anytime soon, not until we get smacked around like europe did. we're only a few steps away from fascism, and it is guys like meatwad who are leading the way.
My point about respecting the troops was that you kept saying it's a smoke screen to support the troops. I say it is not a smoke screen. I say RESPECT THE TROOPS AS YOU WOULD ANY OTHER MAN OR WOMAN, Don't spit on them for doing their job. My grand father stormed the beaches of Normandy back in WWII, my Uncle's Father was a Nazi soldier. My Uncle's father and my Grandfather treated each other with respect, regardless that there was a possibility that they were exchanging fire. My other Uncle was spit on by hippies because he was a soldier in Vietnam. Spit on for doing his job. Thats disrespect. I don't want to see people disrespecting the troops because they did their job. Common indecency is all I ask for. You can say I don't like this war, it's in ethical, it needs to end, blah blah blah, what ever you want you can do or say I don't care, just don't disrespect people for doing their jobs. And I've read some of the post from you guys saying Iraqi babies were killed by the troops, this isn't true. Now our troops are people too, they have faults. Like the ones involved in the prison scandals and such, They weren't doing that as part of their job, I don't know why they would do that it is wrong and they should be spit on, but the ones just doing their job not intentionally harming innocent people should not be insulted. How would you like it if every day you went to work, thinking you made a difference in the world, and you get spit on? And don't give me the B.S. on public schools, I know they brain wash, but guess what, your getting education for free, ofcourse the people providing it are going to push the whole "yeah we're great aren't we" propaganda. I disagree with it, but I also disagree with the political correct lies we get when we are older and they do talk about the darker times. The only way to have a proper view is to research it yourself.
You obviously never lived in a facist state if you believe america is only a few steps from it. Some of my closest friends grew up in Police states, some grew up under Saddam's control, and guess what, Everyday they feared for their lives, one of my friends lost his mother because someone said she didn't like Saddam.
Öjevind Lång;5875310 said:
I snipped most of your extremely disjointed and long message; I wonder if it is the longest post ever made here. It is full of classics, but I've chosen only to respond to a few of them:
1. Al Gore never claimed to have invented the Internet, only to have voted for funding that led to its invention; that is a matter of record. So is the fact that rightwingers have most energetically spread the calumny that he claimed to have invented it - a canard you seem unable to abandon.
2. You don't want to talk about the fact that your heroes (Bush, Cheney et alia) are draft dodgers and compare talking about that to mentioning bigfoot. I interpret that as a sign of desperation.
3. You claim that the war in Iraq is over? What colour are the moons around the planet you live on?
I also noticed that in one of the many passages you snipped, you were annoyed because people, according to you, had called "90 % of Americans idiots", and in another passage you declared that the Elecetoral College was introduced by the Funding Fathers because most people are idiots. You are quite the logician, aren't you?
Could be the longest, but then again coulda just been the quotes i posted makin it seem long lol.
I already gave you the quote, but heres a link
http://usgovinfo.about.com/blgorenet.htm with some information, It's not the original one i found with the information, cause i couldn't remember what I typed in CNN news search for it. If you look up Al Gore controversies in Wikipedia it should have a fairly accurate description of it. Al Gore didn't invent the internet, its basis was created in the late 60's. during his tiem in Congress he helped promote it and push it more towards commercial use. But he didn't say I had a hand in pushing commercial use of the Internet, He said he had taken the initiative in creating the internet.
It's not a sign of desperation when people use conspiracy theories to combat other conspiracy theories. You can't prove they did, and you can't prove they didn't. I don't believe they dodge the draft I mean it is possible that their fathers pulled strings and got them safer positions, but if you were a father had the means would you not make sure your kid was safe? I never said they were my Heroes. I mean Captain Planet FTW!
Actually, it has its basis in the mid-late 50's when the launch of SPUTNIK inspired the development of ARPANET to facilitate more rapid data sharing via packets. Prior to this, data was shared over the same kind of circuit as phones, allowing the flow of data between only two points at once. Packets allow multiple sources to simultaneously receive data from one source, which allows networks, beowulf clusters, etc.
Really only in terms of breadth of implementation and speed of data transfer (bandwidth); however, the same method of data transfer (packets) as ARPANET used in the 50s is still in use today.
Link? I've never seen a quote of his where he claimed he built, created, invented, or otherwise is responsible for the advent of the Internet, only that he was instrumental in facilitating its widespread implementation, which is true.
They started in the 60's, then 69 they launched it. As stated above Al Gore said "I took the initiative in creating the internet" I know he did have a hand in spreading it to commercial use, and shaping it to what it is, but he didn't say that, he said he created it, And that is what everyone clings on to. Yes Al Gore had a huge hand in helping the internet, but he didn't create it. If he would of said I had a hand in spreading the internet, or shaping or something along those lines, there would of been no controversy.
Damit man! Why?!
*sigh*...
I don't have the time nor energy to deal with your stupid quote wars. I know every single post I made, you "misinterpreted" (that's the nice way of putting it) and wrote three paragraphs on how I'm an ass. Well, I must simply state, I know it's hard to believe, but I think your an ass as well. But I must say a few things.
then why are you participating if you dont have time nor energy. You misinterpreted my post much more than I misinterpreted your post. By the simple fact that you thought I called only you an ass, and then you call me an ass and claim it hard to believe. I already said I'm an ass, like 10x more than i said anyone else is an ass.
What an idiot, did you even READ my post?! I said I was using the term "constitution" to represent the general foundations of this country (damit I'm moving to Europe).
No your original post said that the constitution SAID that the government can not interfere My reply said that It DOESNT say that. Then you said that it was a representation followed by personal attacks(which I like how I read personal attacks from others, but I'm the only one that takes heat for it) in which I said that It still doesn't say it in the Constitution. It doesn't. That was my point, but if you want to claim it does go ahead and lie. I understand that you were using it as a symbol, but don't say something is written in the constitution when it is not. Say, Our constitution is a testament to Freedom it is our protection from the trespasses of Government, don't say The constitution says "The Government is not allowed to wire tap my phones" And if your willing to move to Europe because someone who read the constitution 50 million times has said it doesnt say the government can't interfere then why go to Europe, it's more stricter there buddy. I mean CCTV.
What the hell are you talking about? I didn't say anything like that. Don't put words in my mouth. WTH? I said that if you support the war NOW, your either fully brainwashed or just a ****** like yourself. I didn't say a word about troops there? Where were the troops there?
Wow, I didn't say anything about troops killing them (although they have), ever heard of terrorists? Do they still show that on Fox? During the violence HUndreds of thousands of innocent people have died, look up the stats. Don't say I called America murderers, you sound like an idiot. I am an American...
Don't respond to this post, your one of the thickest and dumbest people I've met on here. (and I've met a lot) I know your a redneck who probably watches FOX news, but comon, don't you remember what they teach you in Pre School? How to be umm...Smart?
Originally Posted by dutchking
I'm criticising the Government that has our men and women in Uniform killed for no purpose. If you support the government right now I think it's safe to say that you could possibly be supporting the killing of those troops for no reason.
Apparently this post has been deleted. but if you look at my post in page 8 u can see the link to it, when clicked on says it's not found. So. maybe you're cleaning up your tracks. You called them Murderers. You called people murderers, then you attacked me for saying Give them Respect. And You persist on using the word ******, Listen, while I looked back on your post, i found your other post about you only being 13, but believing your smart. Your not. You're a little child with an agenda, you lack the ability to give people common respect, you call them ******** without understanding what Retardation is. So go cry to your mom, and wait for your balls to drop. You are more of an Ass than me if you attack the mentally impaired.
I don't hope we can settle this, because I know we won't. I know people like you, it's impossible to get anything through that disgusting skull of yours. Time for a reality Check...you really need one. Just because we've been arguing, please take that as a word of advice, not part of the fighting. If anything good is going to happen on this Earth we need people like you to open up.
People like me to open up? So the guys that go the extra mile every day to help out their friends, family, and neighbors, their communities as well, need to learn how to open up. Listen junior. You're still young, why don't you try this, stop with the offensive behavior towards the mentally ill, open a history book, read a newspaper. Maybe you'll pick up that just cause it's popular doesn't make it right. You're like a record player(It's like an ipod, but it's older and it wasn't portable and it had GIGANTIC disc that look like black CD's in case your young mind wasn't aware.) you keep going round and round, same attacks each time. I'm willing to bet you got the thesaurus open too.
That's all I have to say,
now I'm waiting for a mod to:
1. Close the thread.
2. Give me and meatcrap 11 infractions
3. Ban me and meatcrap
4. Move the thread to Politics
5. Ban everyone on the thread.
[EDIT]To be fair you can call me dutchcrap meatcrap.
Well put, always can rely on you!
He didn't read my posts either and twisted my words around, and won't give up on that calling myself a murderer thing.
wow.. childish. If you're going to at least debate with the adults, make it sound like it.
the best yet - war is over except more US soldiers have died since the war finished..... how often do you need to increase troops numbers by more than 20,000 when a war is already over? Nationalistic blindness is surely the only way that this administration is keeping its populace in check.
