Belgian and Swedish TV told voters not to vote for Israel in Eurovision

[CurtSibling]

I think Iceblaze is just looking for a scapegoat.

In his mind;
We evil jackbooted Europeans are obviously trying to ruin Israel's
chances of winning the contest because we all love Arafat so much.

In reality,
The organisers were probably trying to skirt around any trouble
from the media if the picked the entry from Israel.

But it is taken as a third reich conspiracy, by certain posters...

 

[Lord_Vetinari]

Altough I definetly would agree that the Swedish media is a bit one sided when it comes to the Palestinian conflict (too much anti-Israel for my taste), this is surely not something to get worked up over. All the man said was that he didn't like the song, so it wouldn't get any points from him, as I am sure he said about other songs too.

 

[joespaniel]

I agree, it isnt worth getting worked up over.

However, giving the fact that bombs are exploding amidst the population where Iceblaze lives, I understand he is under alot of stress.

Hang in there pal.

 

[Greadius]

What is Eurovision, and what is Israel doing there?

 

[philippe]

greadius eurovision is a songcontest and isreal may join because they are "western"

 

[Hitro]

Yep. Around 25 countries send a song (and singer...) to that contest, they all sing (a disgusting experience) and then all participating countries give points for their top ten (I think). 12 for the first, 10 for the second, 8 for the third, then 7,6,5,...,1.

I'm not exactly sure on the history on why Israel is participating, but Israel is also participating in other European tournaments or contests, for example European Football. The reason there is that letting them play against the Arabs in their region wouldn'T be the best idea.

 

[IceBlaZe]

Israel is kicked out of every asian contest because of the arabs.

 

[G-Man]

Originally posted by Lord_Vetinari
Altough I definetly would agree that the Swedish media is a bit one sided when it comes to the Palestinian conflict (too much anti-Israel for my taste), this is surely not something to get worked up over. All the man said was that he didn't like the song, so it wouldn't get any points from him, as I am sure he said about other songs too.

But he said it in the context of the Israeli Palestinin conflict, not in the context of how good the song was.

BTW I wanna see one of these comentators finding a better way the fight terrorism... We hate extreme right wingers more than Belgium, but when we invade PA areas, even for a short while, they're mad at us...

 

[Mr Spice]

IzeBlaze and G-man: That contest is a slow and boring one and the commentators try desperately to kill time by small talk, ie gossip, speculations and so on. When it was time for the Israeli contribution, they killed time by speculating if people would avoid voting for it because of the conflict. Then they carried on to comment on the quality of the song in the same fashion as they did with all the others. Never did they urge people to boycott your contribution.

You could argue that maybe they showed lack of judgement by mentioning your conflict at all, but thinking they were encouraging a boycott is a misunderstanding.

 

[Lord_Vetinari]

Come on now people, all the guy said was that he wouldn't give israel any points, wich was probably just because he didn't like the song. He didn't exactly urge people not to vote for them.
And besides, this is the eurovision for chirst sake, the stupidest contest in the history of stupid contests, not meant to be taken seriously (just look at the typical German contribution)

EDIT: while I was writing this, Mr. Spice made a very similar post, sorry if this seems like repeating what he said

 

[G-Man]

Originally posted by Lord_Vetinari
Come on now people, all the guy said was that he wouldn't give israel any points, wich was probably just because he didn't like the song. He didn't exactly urge people not to vote for them.

It wasn't because of the quality of the song because of it's context. He didn't say that people shouldn't vote for Israel but the things he said were aimed at giving people the feeling that not voting for Israel is the right thing to do. It's like saying: "If I were you I'd shut up". It's not saying someone should shut up but it certainly gives him the feeling he should do so.

 

[knowltok2]

Originally posted by joespaniel


teenage euro-dorks

Is that for sale? That is just cracking me up. I'm not sure why. I know we have teenage Ameri-dorks here, so don't any of you get offended or anything, I just find it funny.

 

[Simon Darkshade]

Come now, people, I think we are ignoring the obvious reason: They didn't want an Israeli winner who wasn't a transsexual.

 

[animepornstar]

Originally posted by G-Man


It wasn't because of the quality of the song because of it's context. He didn't say that people shouldn't vote for Israel but the things he said were aimed at giving people the feeling that not voting for Israel is the right thing to do. It's like saying: "If I were you I'd shut up". It's not saying someone should shut up but it certainly gives him the feeling he should do so.

i don´t agree. the first guy comments that some people wants israel banned because of politics and the second guy says he doesn´t like the song. maybe things get clearer if i say that the second has competed in the eurovision song contest and is a light version of the stereotypical gay.

 

[Lord_Vetinari]

It wasn't because of the quality of the song because of it's context. He didn't say that people shouldn't vote for Israel but the things he said were aimed at giving people the feeling that not voting for Israel is the right thing to do. It's like saying: "If I were you I'd shut up". It's not saying someone should shut up but it certainly gives him the feeling he should do so.

Ok, I think he just didn't like the song, you think it is connected to the Palestinian conflict. Let's just leave it at that shall we, I don't want to sit here and argue about hidden messages in the Eurovision song contest.

BTW: People who vote in the Eurovision should have their heads examined, whoever they vote for

EDIT: Added quote to clarify that I'm replying to G-Man

 

[Ozz]

Originally posted by MrPresident
Shock horror Eurovision voting is political?!?
I think Israel should do what we Brits do when Eurovision is on. Laugh at all the rubbish European music and when you don't win blame it on 'political voting'. I tell you the France have never given us 12 points.

Make a deal Mon amie! You vote for their singer regardless
of how bad they are, and they'll vote for your figure skating
team regardless of how bad.

 

[Grisu]

Oh my, switzerland got almost no points. this is probably a EU-conspiracy of the guys up there in brussels to force us into the EU or something

C'mon iceblaze, take it easy, it's just a song contest (and a bad one at that)

 

[Dell19]

Eurovision is a popularity contest. Each nation votes for the nation that they least hate, so instead of the best song, it becomes, which is your favourite small continent...Latvia of course had the best song...

 

[Zwelgje]

The Netherlands weren't allowed to send in a song this year because last year the dutch "artist" didn't get enough points. Since then we've hit all other Eurovision countries with huge economic sanctions.

The Eurovision songcontest was so bad this year, I heard 2 songs wanted to tear my ears off but decided not to do that and instead went to a pub and had a few drinks. If only everybody watching had done that, it's a lot more fun I can tell you!

I don't think that Israel not getting any points from some countries is a political issue, the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is going on for a longer time already and I can remember a few years ago you guys won, The Netherlands haven't won in like 25 years, do all Europeans hate us? Maybe but unlikely.

The TV reporters saying silly stuff that people shouldn't vote for Israel because of the whole situation there? Well there are idiots all over the world.... I mean what kind of job do you have anyway when you have to be commenting on the Eurovision songcontest.

 

[Adebisi]

Is it just me, or does Israel have the dumbest press in the world? I can't help but laugh at this... So some commentators claimed that the Israeli song *gasp* sucked? It clearly did suck. Oh my... Do Israeli newspapers have nothing better to do than to picture everyone as anti-semite?

Besides... Most people, wether they like Israel or Palestine more, would agree that both sides are evil to an extent. They are involved in a war which they are both to blame for. Considering that this war is actually going on right now, is it such a surprise that one side gets critisism if it participates in an event such as this one? That doesn't mean those who critisise support Palestine more.

Where did I mention the word 'antisemite' in this thread?
It's nice you are putting words in my mouth.

Ah for Christs sake, all you ever do is accuse people of being anti-semite!