Best Star Trek series

[Mowque]

then killed by Worf in a battle.

Why must you insult Worf?

 

[Gwynnja]

Oh that reminds me, one of the reasons that TOS is superior to TNG is the sole fact that TOS did not have a Wesley.

Really tho. Voyager and NG are my favorites but Wesley, Alexander, Geordi, Troi, and Neelix ought to have been fed to that dust cloud that killed yar. Luckily the awesomeness of Picard, Data, the Doctor, and Tuvok counterbalanced all the lameness of the aforementioned characters.

 

[mrt144]

I will say Troi and Wesely made TNG suffer but cmon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHgGYW7-Oto

Pure gold!

 

[say1988]

Geordi was the second best regular character on TNG, and both O'Brien and Worf were far better on DS9, where they had things like conflicts and problems.

And I don't see how everyone can hate Neelix. He was great. Sure he got ******** at times, but overall he was great. It is just like Jar Jar, the best part of the Phantom Menace.

 

[mrt144]

Geordi was the second best regular character on TNG, and both O'Brien and Worf were far better on DS9, where they had things like conflicts and problems.

And I don't see how everyone can hate Neelix. He was great. Sure he got ******** at times, but overall he was great. It is just like Jar Jar, the best part of the Phantom Menace.

Do you live in Bizarro World?

The same Bizarro World where Patrick Stewart was in Legends of the Fall?

 

[GoodGame]

ToS because it was silly, and then TNG a little, except it killed the trekkie in me. Everything else that followed was a weird zoot suit.

 

[Death_Machine]

I agree that Wesley deserves a fate no less than being thrown into a sun only to survive for more than one millisecond and suffer massive burns, than be beamed back to the ship and be stabilized, then have salt rubbed into his wounds, then skinpeeled, then killed by Worf in a battle.

LMFAO Great post, thanks dude.

And I don't see how everyone can hate Neelix. He was great. Sure he got ******** at times, but overall he was great. It is just like Jar Jar, the best part of the Phantom Menace.

See Gooblah's post above and just substitute Neelix for Wesley. 2 worst characters ever.

I voted for Voyager myself which I rate slightly higher than TNG.

Picard > Janeway
Riker < Chicote
Warf = Tuvak
Dr. Crusher < EMH
Data < Paris
Obrien < Torres
Geordi > Kim

By my count Voyager beats TNG with a score of 4-2-1. If I misspelled any of the names it is because my geekness only extends to basic knowledge.

 

[Masada]

I could eat Patrick Stewart for his voice... it's the auditory equivalent of crack.

I'm torn between Voyager and DS9, both of which offer a different mix of fun. Voyager and voyaging... and DS9 with politics and its larger scale.

 

[Sharwood]

TOS wins, with DS9 second, TNG third and Voyager 4th. Enterprise had its moments, but wasn't very good, and actually violated established canon a lot. DS9 could have been better, but they went seven seasons, meaning they couldn't blatantly steal from Babylon 5 for the last two. That cost them.

 

[SG-17]

Enterprise actually did pretty good with canon if you think about all of the restrictions that were put on it being a prequel series instead of a sequel one.

Deep Space 9 and Voyager are not Star Trek, they are just DS9 and VOY.
Why? Because they have no Enterprise.

 

[Agent327]

That's pretty doctrinary.

Voyager, much like DS 9, actually took the Star Trek story to a new level, but more than DS 9 or even TOS it was a complete epic and stuck to the original travel theme. While it is true that Enterprise did that too, somehow it doesn't fit right, it obviously being a prequel made after all the other series had been made. (Plus it introduced at least 1 race unheard of in all the other series.)

I agree more with Masada than Sharwood on this.

 

[Gooblah]

Why must you insult Worf?

I'm sorry. Worf is awesome, but my intent was to screw with Wes.

Really tho. Voyager and NG are my favorites but Wesley, Alexander, Geordi, Troi, and Neelix ought to have been fed to that dust cloud that killed yar. Luckily the awesomeness of Picard, Data, the Doctor, and Tuvok counterbalanced all the lameness of the aforementioned characters.

Dude. Dude. Geordi? You want him to die? He is so awesome (my inner engineer is screaming for your blood)...and the Doctor...just ugh.

Kirk is a walking sexual harrasment lawsuit. Don't go there.

 

[Ecofarm]

Kirk (perhaps the greatest sci-fi character EVER) See pic above and Bigfoot's sig.
McCoy
Spock
Scottie
Sulu

They're by far the best. Light-years.

TNG was ok; everything after TNG flat-out sucked.

 

[say1988]

See Gooblah's post above and just substitute Neelix for Wesley. 2 worst characters ever.

Nope, Neelix beats Crusher, Troi, Riker and Picard easily (not that that is saying much) and is at least a decent character.

I could eat Patrick Stewart for his voice... it's the auditory equivalent of crack.

I can't stand that voice, it is just painful, like someone cracked my skull with a baseball bat.
Now for a great voice, look no further than Nimoy. Just research any not BTS techs in Civ IV, and you know why, it makes it so horrifying to research any new techs and hear Sid.

 

[Earthling]

First, I haven't seen so much of DS9 and Enterprise, but I agree Enterprise has a lot of messing around with canon/the past - it had to as a prequel. But from what I've seen it only benefits from modern special effects - it's shiny but not particularly special. It simply couldn't stand alone without the other Star Trek series. As for DS9, It's probably in the top three - but it also doesn't represent the feel of Star Trek. I guess it's deeper storyline and further character development (Worf, O'Brien) does complement TNG well though. As for Voyager... Janeway alone is like -10 points, a hole it can't claw itself out of. Only the Doctor was any good.

So it comes down to TNG vs. ToS for me
Picard > Kirk (very arguable, but I'm giving it to TNG anyway just to show this point doesn't matter)
Worf>Sulu
Data, Q, Borg => +3 for TNG

Spock>Riker
McCoy>Crusher
Scotty>Geordi
Chekov>Wesley (well, it's more that Wesley on his own is just a minus for TNG)
Uhura vs. Troi - tie, kind of
Original Enterprise, invention of Vulcans, Klingons, etc..., General historical groundbreaking => +3 more for ToS

Even with somewhat favorable comparisons for TNG, my tally is 7 vs. 5 for ToS. Obviously this is at face value but I think it's easy to see that as a whole ToS had a better cast of main characters, and is the basis for everything else in the Star Trek universe. Only Picard/Data are arguably superior characters - don't get me wrong, TNG is very good too, but it doesn't surpass the original. TNG and ToS both have benefits over the others (though again I haven't seen as much DS9, I've heard some are very good - love the one where they travel back to the events of "The Trouble with Tribbles") of having some truly epic, all-time good episodes so that's hard to argue either way (and TNG episodes on average were better, but it also had more money/special effects/just ran longer)

 

[Gwynnja]

Dude. Dude. Geordi? You want him to die? He is so awesome (my inner engineer is screaming for your blood)

Sorry, I hate him. He's just such a cheesey, corny wuss. Definitely my least favorite engineer, although I don't hate him as much as alexander roshanko, wesley crusher, or troi.

 

[warpus]

TOS wins, with DS9 second, TNG third and Voyager 4th. Enterprise had its moments, but wasn't very good, and actually violated established canon a lot.

All the shows "violated canon". A lot... and the more episodes these Trek-episode-writing dudes wrote, the more "canon" was "violated". That's just the nature of the beast.

I mean, for example, here's a HUGE one. When TNG first started airing, the Klingons were a part of the Federation. Then the writers figured out that that wasn't such a good idea, and it was dropped.. just like that! No explanation, no nothing.

Do you think these guys had all of TNG or all of DS9 mapped out, somewhere, so that no "canon" was violated? Nah, they didn't even have entire seasons mapped out - they approached things episode by episode, and if some canon-related thing had to be sacrificed because it made for good television - it was. The first show that really started thinking in arcs was DS9 - and that show had its share of canon violations.

Enterprise violated its share of canon - but I mean, there isn't even that much established canon about that time-period - what we do have is a ton of fan-inspired "canon" that hardcore fans stick to just becuase well.. they talk about this stuff a lot and some stuff becomes established - even if it was never established on screen..

I mean, I hated the stuff they did violate that I knew about - but it wasn't much worse than any of the other shows, aside from the "The more episodes of Trek you produce, the more canon violations you're going to run into" effect.

 

[JtheJackal]

The case against Deep Space 9;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYK5lbwR5WY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwsz490GnMc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqM25nYk-rE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db1p5fZ4C4U

WHAT THE HELL!?! Best if by best you mean worst!

If you want to say Deep Space Nine is bad you should probably give examples of bad episodes instead of good ones. There's um...well I'm sure bad episodes existed in the first season.

Deep Space Nine was the smartest, best written Star Trek. The characters grew and had serious relationships. There was war, religion, paranoia, fun and great characters. It was definitely the best.

 

[Sharwood]

All the shows "violated canon". A lot... and the more episodes these Trek-episode-writing dudes wrote, the more "canon" was "violated". That's just the nature of the beast.

I mean, for example, here's a HUGE one. When TNG first started airing, the Klingons were a part of the Federation. Then the writers figured out that that wasn't such a good idea, and it was dropped.. just like that! No explanation, no nothing.

Do you think these guys had all of TNG or all of DS9 mapped out, somewhere, so that no "canon" was violated? Nah, they didn't even have entire seasons mapped out - they approached things episode by episode, and if some canon-related thing had to be sacrificed because it made for good television - it was. The first show that really started thinking in arcs was DS9 - and that show had its share of canon violations.

Enterprise violated its share of canon - but I mean, there isn't even that much established canon about that time-period - what we do have is a ton of fan-inspired "canon" that hardcore fans stick to just becuase well.. they talk about this stuff a lot and some stuff becomes established - even if it was never established on screen..

I mean, I hated the stuff they did violate that I knew about - but it wasn't much worse than any of the other shows, aside from the "The more episodes of Trek you produce, the more canon violations you're going to run into" effect.

Canon was fairly strictly established by Season 5 of TNG. Obviously there were violations prior to that - most notably, Star Fleet was known by nine different names, including the awesome You-Spah (United Earth Space Probe Agency, UESPA) - but violations after the release of the official chronology, which I have sitting in front of me right now, are unforgivable.

And it's only sexual harassment if it happens on Earth, or if the girl aint green.

 

[Sharwood]

If you want to say Deep Space Nine is bad you should probably give examples of bad episodes instead of good ones. There's um...well I'm sure bad episodes existed in the first season.

Deep Space Nine was the smartest, best written Star Trek. The characters grew and had serious relationships. There was war, religion, paranoia, fun and great characters. It was definitely the best.

I agree, Babylon 5 was the best sci-fi series ever.