Best Wonder?

[Darth Caesar]

Given that the AP isn't on the list, I'd agree, depending on map. On most maps, it's great, both for barbs and early EP. You might even get an early great spy for 4 techs.

AP is fantastic. Besides, cheesy wins, you can get 4 base hammers for 2 cheap buildings. It can really help diplomacy too. If you want to conquer somebody who isn't your friend, get in a holy war. Diplo points for shared war with your friends. An odd one I've used on OCC is +2 diplo for voting for somebody else (for resident, not victory). Helps for getting neighbor Shaka or Rags to friendly.

On most maps, GW is best behind AP. Exception would be archipelago - Great Lighthouse rules.

Yeah Archipelago maps are the one place I can think of where the GW is nearly useless.

 

[Kid R]

Most wonders I shrug my shoulders if I miss them, but the Great Lighthouse, if I go for it, I really, really, want to get it. GLH can make crappy land playable and I think it's the most powerful for that reason.

 

[r_rolo1]

The OP *does* specify "world" wonders .

I can read english , thank you

Go to your civilopedia, browse World wonders ( or alternatively use the online list avaliable in the CFC ). You will see exactly 14 world wonders the OP didn't mentioned, either on the poll or being out of it for various reasons. I don't blame the OP, , though , since people tend to see the Internet more as a wonder than those 14

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I can read english , thank you

Go to your civilopedia, browse World wonders ( or alternatively use the online list avaliable in the CFC ). You will see exactly 14 world wonders the OP didn't mentioned, either on the poll or being out of it for various reasons. I don't blame the OP, , though , since people tend to see the Internet more as a wonder than those 14

Bah. Apparently he felt they weren't worth a spot in the poll, although he felt that way about AP too (although I can accept it as too good as a reason for ignoring it ).

Well, what can you do.

IMO wonder in general are overrated anyway.

 

[Darth Caesar]

Bah. Apparently he felt they weren't worth a spot in the poll, although he felt that way about AP too (although I can accept it as too good as a reason for ignoring it ).

Well, what can you do.

IMO wonder in general are overrated anyway.

Yeah why build them when you can take them!

 

[itg]

It's all map dependent, of course, but I voted GLH. There are some maps where it's the only way to keep your economy afloat. Pyramids are very good, too, but usually when you can build them, you don't need them.

 

[r_rolo1]

Well, we live with what we have Surely , a well placed sushi HQ will probably beat easily half of the wonders of this list ...

But with what we get I'll flip a coin and chose GLH ( the coin was between it and the pyramids ) . Both are really consistently ( not always , remember ) good in most maps if properly used and their benefits last a long time, enough to clearly pay for themselfes ( some wonders are quite iffy in that regard ).

 

[Kid R]

Also the space elevator comes late but it can really save you some time in a close end game.

(I'll get my coat )

 

[Ataxerxes]

Also the space elevator comes late but it can really save you some time in a close end game.

(I'll get my coat )

My ears are ringing hearing what TMIT is going to have to say about this.

In the best situations (Robotics from Internet), it might save you a couple of turns.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Also the space elevator comes late but it can really save you some time in a close end game.

(I'll get my coat )

It's like walking into a sports bar wearing the wroooong jersey on game day. Pick your sport/jersey, same ending .

. Both are really consistently ( not always , remember ) good in most maps

I would argue to include great library on that list because 1) it's on a very nice trade path with a tech that unlocks two very nice national wonders 2) it has the most basic GPP from a wonder in the game and 3) it nerfs AI attempts for lib severely.

IMO TGL w/o marble > mids w/o stone, though I'd probably avoid both.

 

[rugbyLEAGUEfan]

Boring answer I know , but with stone on immortal + , epic or marathon I `ll choose the Great Wall . The ultimate Wonder for an early REX and the Great Spy is fantastic for the tech comeback.

but ultimately nothing beats the AP

 

[r_rolo1]

IMHO the great library is overrated in BtS ... in fact the same exact situation of the Space elevator : it was better in earlier versions of the game because it could be obtained with less beaker investement and some people still play like BtS was vanilla/warlords Not that is a bad wonder , far from it, it is clearly near the top of my list ( probably #3 or 4 ), it is just not as good as it was... and to be honest, i never liked much of going the TGL tech path first ( I'm as you should know, a strong believer of the three economical Cs )

 

[Xenaphobe]

Pyramids for me. I never built them in Civ2, so I guess it's Karma.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I feel you on the tech change. I agree that TGL was hurt by BTS...just not as MUCH. Nevertheless, it's still a very good path only because the AI avoids it so much. Lit is going to buy you at least gold on higher levels, but one can always continue on to music to cheese early GA/pick up sistine w/o marble for culture hell, or go aesth ---- > drama for a monarchy replacement (and philo bulb pre-req) in games where cottages don't shine as much.

It's not an every game thing, but it's reasonably flexible to go aesthetics on emp+.

 

[civnoob13]

Huh what wonders did I miss out?

I did not include wonders that were most voted for in the worst wonders category because I only have 25 poll options available.

 

[*Svart*]

the AP is the best one

 

[obsolete]

Best wonder has to be the most broken in favour of the player.

AP wins hands down. It's so bad, it's good. The optimal solution for any deity win is...

Build AP... get your insta-win.

Thanks to some geniouses [sic] at Firaxis once again... I'm still wondering what they were smoking that day.

 

[r_rolo1]

Don't you know the best part , obsolete ? They actually said ( to IGN IIRC ... not in the mood of digging archives ) before BtS was released that no one ( bolded for emphasis ) in their tests ever got a AP win ... and this in the times you could win with your votes only. I wonder exactly how hard they tried ...

 

[Cicerosaurus]

I don't play Diplomatic is AP I have never used.

The Internet I can never get.

I'd go Pyramids, followed by the Temple of Artemis and The Great Library.

 

[*Svart*]

maybe they never built it