best wonders for space race

[johncross21]

what wonders for space race

in particular what are best for main production city

 

[josephstalin]

The only thing that must be in the main production city is ironworks. Included with the package of forge, factory and some kind of plant. None of those are wonders.

 

[johncross21]

thanks comrade Stalin

it would be good to have some general tips from no lesser person than yourself on winning the space race for Russia - I posted a thread about 'sputnik' somewhere

 

[Cer]

The simplest strategies for space-race/domination/conquest victories are nearly the same. Wonders and tactics that help you to get a large empire with plenty of cities that can knock out a SS casing quickly are good. Hanging gardens and Notre Dame come to mind, as well as the late game happiness-boost wonders. Mount rushmore and the pentagon can be useful if you plan to maintain your lead in the space race by razing/capturing a city or two that would be producing parts/science for the enemy. Heroic Epic should have been build somewhere, preferably early in the game.

Your main production city should definitely have ironworks as well as other available production-boost buildings.

 

[OKScientist]

Yes, Ironworks for sure.


I just realized that there are no world wonders that directly help with space race, except for the Space Elevator! But I never research computers anyway, because they obsolete Angor Wat and University of Sankore.

 

[Cookie Crumbs]

The Space Elevator is a sucker's wonder: it's way out of the way of the space race tech path, and the time spent researching to Robotics doesn't justify the 50% bonus, which isn't that much if you already have Lab+Factory+Power+Forge, which is a 225% bonus. The increase from without the Elevator is only 50/225=22%, which isn't that much. If the bonus was multiplicative then it would be worth it.

 

[lilnev]

I'll build the Elevator if I have a spare GE or two sitting around, but don't stress about it. Likewise I like the Statue of Liberty if I can get it, but it's not essential. The only other interesting Wonder is the Internet, which can pull you back from a big deficit. But it only works if there are two AI leaders, and it always makes for a close finish. Much better to be the leader yourself and in control.

For the most part the spacerace is research-limited, so you should have a lot of well-cottaged cities under the CE civics. Most of these will have enough production for factory-coal plant, and can knock out the smaller parts. I usually have two major production cities to handle the big pieces (my best early production city will get the HE; someplace else will get Ironworks, so I don't have to stop producing units while I build it).

peace,
lilnev

 

[Validator]

The Space Elevator is a sucker's wonder: it's way out of the way of the space race tech path, and the time spent researching to Robotics doesn't justify the 50% bonus, which isn't that much if you already have Lab+Factory+Power+Forge, which is a 225% bonus. The increase from without the Elevator is only 50/225=22%, which isn't that much. If the bonus was multiplicative then it would be worth it.

I agree with you that SE is not a real good option (especially with the BtS changes to the tech tree). The numbers are actually worse than you indicated because you didn't take into account the affect of having the appropriate resource for the SS part and also the impact of Ironworks.

Forge + Factory + Power + Lab = 250% of base; with SE = 300% of base --> 20% increase

Forge + Factory + Power + Lab + (Resource or IW) = 350% of base; with SE = 400% of base --> 14% increase

Forge + Factory + Power + Lab + Resource + IW = 450% of base; with SE = 500% of base --> 11% increase

 

[MrCynical]

The space elevator is usually only a good choice in OCCs, or if you can obtain robotics by non-research means (espionage, Internet or diplomacy). The saving in production time on the last component to complete is extremely unlikely to compensate for the time needed to research a non-essential tech. Even Computers is a dubious choice due to the wonders it obsoletes.

 

[illram]

None are necessary. More important is your tech path. Three Gorges Dam is useful for power and along the way you reveal aluminum, but really what you need is Ironworks and a few other high production cities with factories, labs, and forges. Beelining superconductors as you build the apollo program is also a good move because it gets you labs and thrusters, which you need 5 of now. The Space Elevator is a waste of time. I haven't built it once in BtS.

 

[eewallace]

I've found that the wonders needed for space race actually have little to do with building your space ship. Rather, they are the wonders that help you with teching much earlier in the game. Oracle for free tech. Get a religion and build the university of sankore. Build universities and oxford. Run at least one city with science specialists and try to get at least a few great scientists, too. Obviously, by the time you are building the spaceship itself you want to have at least half a dozen good cities that can crank out the hammers, but they real key to winning the space race is making sure you start your spaceship first!

 

[Cookie Crumbs]

I'll build the Elevator if I have a spare GE or two sitting around, but don't stress about it. Likewise I like the Statue of Liberty if I can get it, but it's not essential. The only other interesting Wonder is the Internet, which can pull you back from a big deficit. But it only works if there are two AI leaders, and it always makes for a close finish. Much better to be the leader yourself and in control.

You're better off burning any GEs for golden ages, which will not only boost your production by at least 20% (assuming most tiles are plains hill mines, which is grossly conservative) but will accelerate research and in BtS spawn great people faster for the second golden age.

 

[xanadux]

Whatever gets you the techs you need the fastest in the end. One could argue that any of the Pyramids, the Great Library, Great Lighthouse, Colossus, National Epic, Parthenon, or several others are the best for space race. The space race is a tech race. Production is easy late game.

 

[KMadCandy]

Whatever gets you the techs you need the fastest in the end. One could argue that any of the Pyramids, the Great Library, Great Lighthouse, Colossus, National Epic, Parthenon, or several others are the best for space race. The space race is a tech race. Production is easy late game.

space race is the condition i win by least often. haven't tried for space even one in BtS yet. but i do agree with what you said, particularly since i tend to pick a victory goal when selecting my leader, and if that goal isn't dom/conquest i really prefer a peaceful game.

 

[VoiceOfUnreason]

Space wins are primarily about beakers. The production part of it isn't quite irrelevant, but is only going to be of minor concern (how many turns does Ironworks shave off of the biggest parts?). Which isn't to say that you shouldn't build the Ironworks - you'll have it finished long before you start getting bottlenecked on production - just that you shouldn't give it too much credit unless the AI is breathing right down your neck.

Of the Great Wonders, I'd have to think that the Library would come first (extra research, extra great scientists), followed by Shwedagon Paya (free religion in the classical age - perhaps not such a big deal if you are sprinting to Liberalism anyway) and Notre Dame (extra happiness).

The one I'm not clear on is the Internet. If you have two competitors, you can save yourself a lot of beakers this way. Not so good with only one, or when you are way out in front anyway.

 

[LuckyAC]

Production really only matter for your last part, before that tech is the bottleneck.

 

[ungy]

Of the Great Wonders, I'd have to think that the Library would come first (extra research, extra great scientists), followed by Shwedagon Paya (free religion in the classical age - perhaps not such a big deal if you are sprinting to Liberalism anyway) and Notre Dame (extra happiness).

I'm surprised that you mention the Shwedagon Paya--seems like I've almost never built that (although you do mention that it's not so good if you're beelining lib which is often the case). I would put the Lighthouse up there (although it's hard to get), and of course the Pyramids (I think easier to build late in BTS than in earlier versions).

 

[KMadCandy]

Of the Great Wonders, ... Notre Dame (extra happiness).

okay now i'm an old pro, i did one space game in BtS . i'd put Hanging Gardens on there, at least as high as Notre Dame, just because health is such a big fat pain lategame. if you're going space, you'll be in lategame for sure. of course that one's just as good no matter where it is, so if you can capture it instead of building it, perfect!