Beta 7 Talk

[3Miro]

To update to Beta 7 do I have to delete files from Beta 6?
Oh yah comment #100 on the thread.

It is highly recommended to do so.

 

[3Miro]

England: Started in peace with France, but they declared war when Caen and Calais slipped to me. I got 3-4 Heavy Lancers, which I moved to the cities for defense. However, with superior numbers, France eventually took the two cities. I had to pay 180 gold for peace.

In the mean time, I found London and Monmouth (between the resources in Wales). York flipped to me and I used the two starting Heavy Lancers to get Edinburgh (then use one for Edinburgh and one for Monmouth to guard against Scotsman and Welshman). I build many workers and did Farm where I can and Mines on all the hills. After all the workers (I started with 3 and then build 6 more), I build Manor Houses and Barracks. Catholicism spread late, then as soon as I could, I got a Monastery and enough Missionaries for all cities. I researched Plate Armor and went straight for Chivalry to get Knights. France got Chivalry only a couple of turns before me. In the mean time I also build Plymouth and Dornoch (northern Scotland).

Then I build 6 Knights, 3 Galleys and attack (discover Guilds in the mean time). I went straight for Paris, basically declare war, land the ships and on the second turn I attacked Paris. Lost three nights, two wounded outside the city and one captured the city. This was a big stability hit on France. Next turn, the French recaptured the city with one Crossbowman, which was wounded in the process. Next turn I conquered Paris again (stability hit again) and put two Knights in Paris. France had about 5 - 6 Knights, but before they could react, France collapsed.

Now I have 150 years (50 turns) to get about 5-6 Indy cities (plus barb Dublin). Only Justinian is significantly ahead in tech, Spain and Germany are about a tech ahead. It becomes a race for Paper, I already have the Great Merchant, so if I can get to Paper soon enough, I will have the Medici Bank and I will be unstoppable in commerce (since the AI has to both get to the tech AND get a Great Merchant, I think I have a pretty good chance).

 

[civ_king]

I'm not sure anymore, but is there a "spread Catholicism" goal already? The early HRE emperors (Ottonians, Salians) played an important role in the Christianization of Poland and Hungary (both were part of German dioceses initially), so that would fit.

Another historical goal would be to control the entire Italian peninsula. Lombardy was an integral part of the early empire, but that region was difficult to hold on to due to the opposition of Milan and other Lombard cities, many emperors strived (and temporarily succeeded) in taking over Rome to support their claim of being Roman Emperors and lastly, Sicily was ruled by the Hohenstaufen dynasty for some time. The problem is that real opposition in terms of civs is missing here, but maybe the challenge is more not to collapse during that kind of expansion.

The last goal should then be to found Protestantism, which provides a tech challenge.

The HRE UHV definitely shouldn't cover anything after the first half of the 16th century, because then it definitely started declining.

On another note, maybe its tech speed needs to be lowered as well. The HRE was technologically rather stagnating compared to more dynamic regions like Italy, France or England.

'twas the bishopric of Posen that Poland reported to.

 

[AbsintheRed]

Realizing Barbarosa's treachery ...

We recently added a number of leaders to the game and previously those were simply great people Generals, Saints .... We have to revisit the Great People names file.

Also, I plan to have civ-specific great peoples eventually
4-5 historical GP name from each type is not hard to collect for any of the civs
Only expection may be the Great Spies, but I guess we can use some random/generic civ-specific names there

 

[ezzlar]

3miro, have you checked the Byzantium production penalty? That civ feels broken right now and I want to play it

 

[yogiebere]

hey wasnt lithuanias tile supposed to be improved? cus right now it still reallllly sucks

 

[AbsintheRed]

hey wasnt lithuanias tile supposed to be improved? cus right now it still reallllly sucks

All the proposed map improvements will be implemented in Beta 8, which will be released this weekend
This includes greece, lithuania, iberian-peninsula, some pre-placed roads in the north-eastern part of the map, and all the other already shown changes...

 

[Veshta]

England: ..

You are clearly better at it than I, my economy tanks rather early so research takes forever. Now that France is toast the question is if you can out-research the Germans and their quite frankly pretty awesome land.
As soon as he hits Education all his farms become cottages (AI likes worker spam too!) and he sky-rockets with Free Peasantry .. I have been able to take out the French but am perpetually lagging behind Germany in tech and if I recall there is no shortcut to the Ind.Rev. so you need to either knock him about or somehow work the Civ veteran magic and do it old-school.

 

[3Miro]

You are clearly better at it than I, my economy tanks rather early so research takes forever. Now that France is toast the question is if you can out-research the Germans and their quite frankly pretty awesome land.
As soon as he hits Education all his farms become cottages (AI likes worker spam too!) and he sky-rockets with Free Peasantry .. I have been able to take out the French but am perpetually lagging behind Germany in tech and if I recall there is no shortcut to the Ind.Rev. so you need to either knock him about or somehow work the Civ veteran magic and do it old-school.

I will have to look into the second part of the UHV today. I am hoping to get the Medici Bank and use that. In the mean time, war with Germany isn't out of the question as well as spamming Cottages in France (which will be all mine).

 

[Veshta]

Just tried your way of beelining to knights .. got 6 ready to go in 1240 or so but France just took Jerusalem and have a GA plus they have teutons and regular knights that outnumber all my troops combined .. conveniently parked in Paris after smacking Burgundy around for a bit

Other game: Tried giving myself CS at start and switching to bureaucracy. Provided a much smoother experience for me, still lagging behind something fierce but don't feel as impotent

Trading is definitely a huge contributor to tech speed. Spain got Chivalry pretty early (~1150) and within 3-4 turns everyone and their mother had it .. except the paupers across the channel that is, at least my own research got a healthy boost when it showed on everyones papers

 

[youtien]

With luck, my second English GP was a great spy. Used it and stole 3 techs from Germany (gunpowder, divine right, and public works). Discovered astronomy in 1500, and hurried free tech wonder at the same turn - trading companies. Germany vassalized to me while at war with Polish / Lithugaian.

In 1564 Spain completed Cuba. I won't allow it, I am going to reload and complete it first, and pillage their AA. This is the best English game so far. You really did a good job.

 

[AbsintheRed]

Merijn, the "dates" in the religion and wonder screen are still off
Instead of Late Middle Ages (which is the mod's 3rd era), there should be Early Middle Ages (the 1st era), for the preplaced wonders and religions

 

[merijn_v1]

Merijn, the "dates" in the religion and wonder screen are still off
Instead of Late Middle Ages (which is the mod's 3rd era), there should be Early Middle Ages (the 1st era), for the preplaced wonders and religions

I will investigate it.


@ Absinthered and 3Miro

Is one of you working on the map? I want to make 2 small changes on it. (Make Venice an "island" with rivers and move the Dye of Amsterdam 1 south.) If you have other things that should be changed on the map, I can do that as well.

 

[3Miro]

@ Absinthered and 3Miro

Is one of you working on the map? I want to make 2 small changes on it. (Make Venice an "island" with rivers and move the Dye of Amsterdam 1 south.) If you have other things that should be changed on the map, I can do that as well.

Absinthered is working on the map. I guess we are all kind of waiting on him. What do you plan on doing about Venice, move the rivers so that they are surrounded?

 

[merijn_v1]

I want it to look like this.

 

[3Miro]

Just put a river around it and move the Dutch Dye one tile south. I can easily do both of those once I get the file from Absinthered.

 

[yogiebere]

merijn, agreed!

 

[youtien]

Thing went smoothly(and boring) since astronomy discovered & free tech wonder built. Completed all projects. Spain massed an army of 20+ units and DoWed at me but only sent some tercios near my Bordeaux, it was not hard to clean. If AI attacked with full force I would lose at least 1 city.

On the sea I kept pillaging their AA and fishing boats. There were many carrack vs. privateer battle and I lost many. But my production was far superior to Spain.

Norse, German, Portugal, Dutch were my vassals. Germany took Jerusalem and built Temple Mount. Ｉconquered Tanja and then Alexandria, Cairo, Gaza around 1550-1600.

Won in 1755. Nice game with some luck. So many civs collapsed. And Turkey collapsed 4-5 turns after spawn (too many cities in their solid area?), then respawned with all cities in Anatolia, then collapsed again......

 

[civ_king]

I won a game as Hungary, then I started a new game as Spain without exiting all the way to desktop and it said Istvan I wins a Historical Victory with of course me failing all conditions

Also I recall that you could highlight an entire province, how do you do that? Maybe we should have a section on provinces in the civilopedia?

 

[rob85]

I don't know how this happened but when I started as Venice all the UHVs were lost. Unfortunately I don't have savegames
Also I think the bug with failing the first UHV at spawn is random, because in one game it's ok and in another broken.
I don't know if you have read my previous posts:

The dynamic names for all civs are broken. Everyone has the 'empire' name from the start to the end of the game. Only vassals are renamed. Someone has already reported this but there was no answer.
I've started 4 games as Austria, and the Germans always founded Salzburg. It's quite annoying because I can't raze this city before it flips to me (it's rather a crappy city).

Papal States are now named... Roman Republic! It's funny considering that they are a divine monarchy It's the frst rename I got with this version, excluding vassals.
Norse converted to protestantism and then to catholicism on the same turn.

Later I've got Republic of Germany when they are a limited monarchy Later it changed again to the Kingdom of Germany.
Also there are exceptions with the 'empire' name with Germany and Muscovy. They are kingdom and grand duchy respectively.