"Beta" Massive WW2 scenario

[Sarevok]

no doubt due to versallies, find out germany's got a big U-boat fleet the world would have gone crazy. If youre going to name every combat uint, I got a book showing every combat unit down to divisions of all armies that served on the eastern front. It shows everything they did, and who all their main leaders were.

 

[Meateater]

2.0 is uploaded with German forces provided from Rocoteh

Here is what I have for the German fleet 1939 and most of everything here I have names for, and battle groupings but the
U-boats. I still need to find locations for some of the groups (flotilla). If you look at the U-boats at 59 total in 1939 then look at how many there were total, close to the end of the war its almost 20 times more at over 1,000
2 old battleships
2 battlecruisers
3 pocket battleships
3 heavy cruisers
6 light cruisers
22 destroyers
20 torpedo boats
59 U-boats

Sarevok
Thanks for stopping in. That book sounds cool. I got a book called "The Second World War In The West" and its a good read, with nice maps and battle plans and other cool stuff.

 

[Rocoteh]

Meateater,

If you read my post 366 in ozymandias thread
concerning AI-production, you will see that both
stats for air an AA stats for naval units must be
corrected.

In my experiment 50 Jet-fighters managed to sink
2 Aegis-cruisers and damage 1, at the cost of
2 Jet-fighters. This is to "unbloody" and not realistic.

Best Regards

Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

Meateater,

Check this link:http://www.uboat.net/boats/index.html


Best Regards

Rocoteh

 

[Meateater]

2.1 uploaded with more German ships
I have not even gone through all the stats since it was imported to Conquest so yes that needs to be done. With the new AA stuff and there are a few other thinhgs.

Yeah that is a cool site, I found it earlier and thought I told you about it, but yeah I used it and now have all the U-boat flotillas and what U-boats were in them took some time but got it. Now that is done, but still looking for locations of some flotillas.

Flotilla 2 (U-boats 25-36)seems to be in the mid to north Atlantic and same for flotilla 6 (U-boats 37-44) but maybe came through the English channel

flotilla 1 (U-boats 9-23 but only the odd )in the north sea

flotilla 3 (U-boats 12-24 but only the evens) English channel or going through

flotilla 7 (U-boats 45-55) the Bay of Biscay

flotilla 5 (56-61) was a training flotilla at the time but saw duty quick.

and the U-Bootschuflotilla (U-boats 1-8, 10,11) that were school boats but saw action.

U-Boats were either trainer boat, school boat, or front boat. Flotillas 1 and 3 were all front boats, but ever other flotilla had a trainer or a school boat, but all U-boats saw duty at some point.

 

[Rocoteh]

Meateater,

No, I do not think you told me about the site.

Anyway I hope I can the deliver the rest of the ground
forces (Germanys) OOB tomorrow.

Best Regards

Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

Meateater,

On version 2.1:

Admiral Hipper and Blucher should be CA:s.

Deutschland should be renamed Lutzow.
It was renamed to Lutzow on direct order from Hitler.

Best Regards

Rocoteh

 

[Meateater]

Ok made the changes you mentioned.
I was just wondering if you think Germany should get an army or armies at the start? Maybe 2 armies on the eastern front and one for the western?

 

[Docrivet]

Just how do I load this scenario. I am completely confused. I read several posts, the 1st post does not seem to work, I could not find a read me file in the 2.1 version. I have spent several hours trying, but no luck. Is there a post in these 14 pages that explains percisly how to do it? If so, what page is it on?

Rivet

 

[Meateater]

Docrivet
For the newest Conquest versions you will need to download the file called "WW2 TheWorld zip" (In there you will find a read me on how to install), and then you can download the newest version of the scenario. Hope that helps.

Updated to version 2.2
Added in all of the German U-baots and location. I found another site and got the location for most of them, so that was cool.

 

[Rocoteh]

Meateater,

I would suggest 2-3 armies for the East and zero
for the West.

The German forces in the West was a thin line (I will
deliver an OOB later today), and had been in bad
trouble if not the French doctrine had been a 100%
defend doctrine.

Best Regards

Rocoteh

 

[Procifica]

Germany attacked Poland with 2 Army Groups, led by Bock and Rundstedt.

3rd and 4th made up Army Group North, and 8th, 10th, and 14th made up Army Group South. 10th later was renamed 6th.

Witzleben had a weak understrength Army of some 12 divisions manning the Siegfried Line. This later became Army Group C under Leeb.


Keep in mind also that 1 Germany Army was sometimes equivalent to 2 or more Soviet Armies (in some cases up to 4 or 5).

 

[Rocoteh]

Meateater,

After June 22 1941 (Barbarossa) I think one should
avoid to compare German armies with Soviet armies.

The abolition of the Rifle Corps was one of the first
actions Stalin had to do after June 22.

Thus the average Soviet Post-Barbarossa (Infantry) Army
had 6-8 Divisions, more a "Super-Corps" than an Army
if you compare to other nations.

Best Regards

Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

Meateater,

The German OOB in the West:

On the border Germany-France South-North:

16Inf xx, 87 Inf xx, 58Inf xx, 215Inf xx, 93Inf xx, 75Tnf xx,
78Inf xx, 65 Inf xx

On the border Germany-Belgium South-North

268Inf xx, 95Inf xx, 79Inf xx, 223Inf xx

On the border Germany-Holland South-North

246Inf xx, 231Inf xx, 214Inf xx, 204Inf xx

Best Regards

Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

"I gave the US infantry 2 move points, and gave them 10 bombard strength 0 range and 1 ROF, no blitz. I think it was the Soviets that said the US doesn't have infantry because all their soldiers ride in jeeps. So I agree with you there but I guess just want to keep the infantry art. They did hit the beaches on foot."

Meateater

I understand you that want the infantry art for the
US Infantry divisions, but I would give them the same
mobility and firepower as German Panzergrenadier units.

That is: 2 move points and blitz.

Edit: I see now that you have not included any
Panzergrenadier unit. I hope you will do that.
It should have less attack than a PanzerIV, but
more defense. Again I hope you use its values
for the US Infantry Division. Othwerwise the US
pool-system will not be reflected in a relevant way.

Best Regards


Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

Meateater,

Do you have Germanys Air OOB finished, or do you
want more research on it?

Best Regards

Rocoteh

 

[Meateater]

Thanks for the updates and information I will make the changes for the next version.

I am looking at the combat air craft totals 1939.

This is what I have for Germany
459 ground attack - 336 of them are stuka87-B
1,432 fighters
1,367 bombers
total=3258
does that look ok


For the U.S. Army I have
777 bomers
492 fighter


for the U.S. navy and marines ( mostly navy )
1,316 combat aircraft


Lets look at the aircraft carrier Yorktown and its capacity to hold aircraft. Its listed at 89 aircraft and if you divide that by 6 then you get almost 15. So 1 unit would be eaqual to about 15 planes(a squad). What do you think of this. It would give Germany about 216 total aircraft at the start.

 

[Rocoteh]

Meateater,

With regard to land-based air my advise is: 1 air unit = 50 ac
With regard to Carrier-based air I think: 1 air unit = 15 ac is OK.
If you use the 1 air unit = 15 ac, for land based units you will 1) get a scenario with waiting time between turns that few will accept. 2) There will be so many units for people to handle
that most of them will lose interest.

Best Regards

Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

Meateater,

On Poland:

What do you think of starting the scenario with
Eastern Poland occupied by Soviet?

Yes, I know its a trade off with realism, but its more
unrealistic that Germany can occupy Poland 100%.

As you understand I do not think that Stalin was
right in attacking Poland, but it probably saved Moscow
from being captured 1941, so the question is not uninteresting.

I looking forward to hear what think about this.

Edit: In response to Post 277, Yes the stats seems to be OK.

Best Regards

Rocoteh

 

[Rocoteh]

Meateater,

Will you continue with France after Germany?

I think I have some good stats on France.

Best Regards

Rocoteh