Beyond Earth Factions

[Rajul]

Franco-Iberia doesn't sound too bad. Honestly, as long as they don't make every single other nation thing some kind of cooperative or alliance I will be good.

It does sound bad because Franco was a dictator who ruled Spain in the 20th century.

 

[Josephias]

Wow this name Sucks. While it does make sense that there may be a french-Spanish polity in the far future, this is just.... Blah. It also gives little flavor as to the nature of the polity

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That leaves space for two factions. My money is on a Russian influenced one (for cold war space race flavor) and another Asian/Oceania thing. It is unclear if the pan-Asian cooperative is China centric, Japan centric, India centric or Oceania/Indonesia centric. I bet there will be another.of this sort as these are all powerhouses.in themselves, and any combo ofbthe four is possivk.

Yeah, that name is kind of lame, besides the uneasy reference to the dictator: he had a quite common Word for a surname, referring both to anithing related to france (specially to old france, Franco is rather more similar to Frankish than to French), and also, as our Iberian colleague said, both in Spanish and Portuguese Franco may also mean true, unbound, reliable)

I hope, being just magazine references, both Brazilia and Franco-Iberia, if true, are shortcuts for a more flavoured faction denomination, such as in example:

• the Starfarer Army of Brazilia (mercenary, blackwater-type orgtanization),
• or the Franco-Iberian Exploration Directorate (government-funded bureocratic organization).

Just for fun, i made up the two names, I based myself in rumours saying Brazilia is militaristic and, well for any unión of France and Spain and Portugal, it feels like it fits it to be bureocratic and conservative (quite the type to go always for "Purity" alignement) - not to say these countries not could have other affinities alone, but merging them all, it seems to me the common points tend more to Purity (legalism, heritage, a bit of religión...) than to other focus. It ties also nicely with the all-things storage facility in the starship launched from France in the tráiler.


As for the rest of factions I tend to agree in your prediction, most balanced world-wise (altough maybe not population wise) is the faction arrangement:

• 4 "north" (America, Europe (Franco-Iberia), Russia, Panasia?),
• 4 "south" (Brazilia, Africa, Middle East (Egypt?, yep this is not thechnically south, but whatever), India-Indonesia-Oceania?)

Just a difference maybe: I think if Franco-Iberia is confirmed, and it is focused just in the west of west Europe, it makes still room to have a faction between them and Eastern-focused Russia. Something in the likes of a North Sea - Saxon - German - Scandinavia faction (Hanseatic League?). This, i believe, may take the place of the African or the Asia-Oceanía faction, and I would probably keep the former rather than the latter.

 

[Lorizael]

I think at this point we have to assume that all names are provisional. A Franco-Iberia faction might be able to call itself New Rome (especially if Italy also gets lumped in there) and that might make for an interesting faction.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

Yeah, that name is kind of lame, besides the uneasy reference to the dictator: he had a quite common Word for a surname, referring both to anithing related to france (specially to old france, Franco is rather more similar to Frankish than to French), and also, as our Iberian colleague said, both in Spanish and Portuguese Franco may also mean true, unbound, reliable)

I hope, being just magazine references, both Brazilia and Franco-Iberia, if true, are shortcuts for a more flavoured faction denomination, such as in example:

• the Starfarer Army of Brazilia (mercenary, blackwater-type orgtanization),
• or the Franco-Iberian Exploration Directorate (government-funded bureocratic organization).

Just for fun, i made up the two names, I based myself in rumours saying Brazilia is militaristic and, well for any unión of France and Spain and Portugal, it feels like it fits it to be bureocratic and conservative (quite the type to go always for "Purity" alignement) - not to say these countries not could have other affinities alone, but merging them all, it seems to me the common points tend more to Purity (legalism, heritage, a bit of religión...) than to other focus. It ties also nicely with the all-things storage facility in the starship launched from France in the tráiler.


As for the rest of factions I tend to agree in your prediction, most balanced world-wise (altough maybe not population wise) is the faction arrangement:

• 4 "north" (America, Europe (Franco-Iberia), Russia, Panasia?),
• 4 "south" (Brazilia, Africa, Middle East (Egypt?, yep this is not thechnically south, but whatever), India-Indonesia-Oceania?)

Just a difference maybe: I think if Franco-Iberia is confirmed, and it is focused just in the west of west Europe, it makes still room to have a faction between them and Eastern-focused Russia. Something in the likes of a North Sea - Saxon - German - Scandinavia faction (Hanseatic League?). This, i believe, may take the place of the African or the Asia-Oceanía faction, and I would probably keep the former rather than the latter.

Well I'm hoping for
At least 1 truly non territorial organizations in (some type of multicontinental church (ie a new Vatican)/ or some global interest group type organization) that has more money+volunteers than territory

An Antarctic/sub oceanic colony (Antarctic making more sense if there is massive global warming)


I'd be fine in leaving Oceania out (especially if India is included in a Vast PAC)

I also like the idea of a "Hanseatic league".. and would prefer Russia to either be with that Or with a PAC
[Russia could be "leading" the "hanseatic league" too]

I'd also prefer to have the middle east as a minor part of an Africa dominated faction (Egypt launch)

 

[Liex]

Yeah, if a faction specifically represents France and Iberia, it not only leaves room for more European factions, it actually makes them more likely, or else they'd just go with some kind of 23rd century European Union.

So I'm expecting to see Russia and something else... a new Hanseatic League would be quite interesting. We could also have a new Roman-Germanic empire, as Italy isn't with France and Iberia. But I think we'll get something unprecedented, just like "Franco-Iberia", I'd never see it coming.

 

[CaterpillarKing]

It does sound bad because Franco was a dictator who ruled Spain in the 20th century.

Yeah I know that. My great aunt lived on a street named after him until a few years ago. They introduced Stalin in Civ IV and some argue he was worse than Hitler. I don't see too big a problem with this, and it may have been an accident. Plus it is a history game series. I just don't see it being a huge deal , plus after 200 years they might be implying a fascist re-takeover Spain by someone looking up to Franco as a role model.


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[Civ'ed]

Please no rome please no rome rome is boring space romans are boring very few people actually want a new roman empire in real life

 

[Fabio1701]

Yeah I know that. My great aunt lived on a street named after him until a few years ago. They introduced Stalin in Civ IV and some argue he was worse than Hitler. I don't see too big a problem with this, and it may have been an accident. Plus it is a history game series. I just don't see it being a huge deal , plus after 200 years they might be implying a fascist re-takeover Spain by someone looking up to Franco as a role model.


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I think there is a differnece between putting an evil dictator like Stalin/Hitler/Mao in a historical game (ok, Hitler never made it there but the other two have and there exist arguments that they were just as bad) and making a future game where their ideology resurfaces, especially if you have to place that ideology over a geographic area that has bad feelings about him. Could you imagine how many Germans would be pissed off if they made the Neo-National Socialist Reich? Many more than if German fascism was playable in a historic game (Panzer General anyone?).

 

[Mustakrakish]

That leaves space for two factions. My money is on a Russian influenced one (for cold war space race flavor) and another Asian/Oceania thing.

But WHY must Russia be there for cold war flavor? It's over 200 years into the future... Is there a cold war flavor every time Russia pops up in civ 5 game? I believe Russia will be there one way or another, but... Cold war flavor? Nah...

Franco-Iberia kinda confirms my speculation that there will be 2 Europe based factions that will either include Russia, or Russia will be separate.

Please no rome please no rome rome is boring space romans are boring very few people actually want a new roman empire in real life

YES space Romans! Give me my space Rome!

 

[Fabio1701]

But WHY must Russia be there for cold war flavor? It's over 200 years into the future... Is there a cold war flavor every time Russia pops up in civ 5 game? I believe Russia will be there one way or another, but... Cold war flavor? Nah...

Franco-Iberia kinda confirms my speculation that there will be 2 Europe based factions that will either include Russia, or Russia will be separate.

YES space Romans! Give me my space Rome!

the flavour is more for us players I guess, many of whome remember the space race or learned about it in school. indeed it might be moot in 200 years. there is no cold war flavour in civ5 because it really doesnt simulate cold wars well at all. SMAC had a better cold war simulation (thinking about the real danger of MAD and battle of ideologies).

but considering the landmass of russia, I doubt that they will not be back as a major power within the next 200 years.

 

[CaterpillarKing]

I think there is a differnece between putting an evil dictator like Stalin/Hitler/Mao in a historical game (ok, Hitler never made it there but the other two have and there exist arguments that they were just as bad) and making a future game where their ideology resurfaces, especially if you have to place that ideology over a geographic area that has bad feelings about him. Could you imagine how many Germans would be pissed off if they made the Neo-National Socialist Reich? Many more than if German fascism was playable in a historic game (Panzer General anyone?).

We don't even know for a fact that they mean Franco as the person, I could be wrong about my speculation. What you're saying makes sense. I'm sure they had a good reason for it.

I could see a German led program though because they are a booming powerhouse and who knows in 200 years. Could also be Swedish, you could have the space Vikings.


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[KrikkitTwo]

the flavour is more for us players I guess, many of whome remember the space race or learned about it in school. indeed it might be moot in 200 years. there is no cold war flavour in civ5 because it really doesnt simulate cold wars well at all. SMAC had a better cold war simulation (thinking about the real danger of MAD and battle of ideologies).

but considering the landmass of russia, I doubt that they will not be back as a major power within the next 200 years.

Assuming they keep all of that landmass...
You could have said that same thing about thr British in 1914, or the Romans in 314

 

[CaterpillarKing]

Assuming they keep all of that landmass...
You could have said that same thing about thr British in 1914, or the Romans in 314

True, but unlike Gaul in the Roman Empire an India in the British Empire not many people want to try to rule Siberia all by itself. If it fails it will fail into a bunch of tiny factions.


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[KrikkitTwo]

True, but unlike Gaul in the Roman Empire an India in the British Empire not many people want to try to rule Siberia all by itself. If it fails it will fail into a bunch of tiny factions.


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Which is why I think it should be a part of the PAC (and because the closer that name is to a correct description the more interesting)

 

[Browd]

We don't even know for a fact that they mean Franco as the person, I could be wrong about my speculation. What you're saying makes sense. I'm sure they had a good reason for it.

I highly doubt they are referring to a 20th century dictator. "Franco" is an oft-used prefix referring to French or France (e.g., francophone countries are French-speaking countries, a francophile is a lover of all things French, etc.). And does no one remember the Franco-Prussian War of 1870?

 

[shaglio]

Yeah, if a faction specifically represents France and Iberia, it not only leaves room for more European factions, it actually makes them more likely, or else they'd just go with some kind of 23rd century European Union.

So I'm expecting to see Russia and something else... a new Hanseatic League would be quite interesting. We could also have a new Roman-Germanic empire, as Italy isn't with France and Iberia. But I think we'll get something unprecedented, just like "Franco-Iberia", I'd never see it coming.

Not necessarily. There's still the Great Mistake to consider; perhaps, 200 years in the future, France and the Iberian peninsula are all the remain of Europe as we know it. Although that might be giving too much of a definition of what the Great Mistake is, whereas they want to leave it mysterious, so the players use their imaginations and come up with their own theory.

 

[CaterpillarKing]

I highly doubt they are referring to a 20th century dictator. "Franco" is an oft-used prefix referring to French or France (e.g., francophone countries are French-speaking countries, a francophile is a lover of all things French, etc.). And does no one remember the Franco-Prussian War of 1870?

That is what I thought at first but someone said that firaxis stated France wasn't really part of it or something along those lines.


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[Lord Tirian]

That is what I thought at first but someone said that firaxis stated France wasn't really part of it or something along those lines.

The trailer featured lots of French text during one of the launch sequences and has shown Paris itself. I think it's a safe bet to say that there will be something involving France... (or a nation descending from current France).

 

[Lord Shadow]

That is what I thought at first but someone said that firaxis stated France wasn't really part of it or something along those lines.


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Yeah, I don't buy that. I'd bet my bottom penny Franco-Iberia is merely a political amalgamation of France, Spain and Portugal. It's unfortunate the combination of terms reminds us of Francisco Franco, but the chances of that being intentional, especially to the point of purposefully depicting a neo-fascist state, is extremely slim.

The simple truth is that "Franco" is to France as "Anglo" is to England.

An alternate name to avoid this coincidence could be Ibero-France.

 

[shaglio]

I'd bet my bottom penny Franco-Iberia is merely a political amalgamation of France, Spain and Portugal.

aw, c'mon, no love for poor little Andorra?