BirdNES: 1500 AD: A New World

[Birdjaguar]

Ode to Joy​

“Asia is supreme.” –Alex994 ​

He packed his bags; his task was done here upon this world, this other timeline. He would return to his own timeline and he would seize upon it with open hands. This world, this other Earth, would not see the horrors that his own had seen. His guiding hand, firm yet soft, would lead to a new era of prosperity. The artifacts and treasures of the East would not be plundered by Europeans seeking wealth and gold.

No, the Europeans had been decisively driven off. No matter what happened now, the supremacy of Asia was confirmed. With the establishment of powerful nation-states in Asia and the need for competition among them, the seeds were sown for a revival. There would be no stagnancy that had allowed them to have fallen so easily in his world. The seeds of democratic institutions that he had sown in the fertile soil of south-east Asia would come to grow, blossom and expand. Religious tolerance, political equality, judicial promise and Republican ideas would be brought. Democracy would blossom in the East.

The power of the Europeans had been shattered in Asia. That was enough for him. There had been worthy, even great, rivals, but they had all been undone by his Faith. Against his Faith, they were powerless. Total Victory was his, the Khmer Empire would eventually end, but her legacy would remain. Uncouth Europeans would not plant their flags in Delhi, Beijing, Hanoi, Saigon and Malacca, burning and killing as they went. Oceania was won.

The Jews would not be at the mercy of intolerant Europeans in this world. The House of Dobias, the finest and greatest of the Jewish Families, would do so much good for Humanity. This would be a better world, a much better world.

One world brought for Asia, many more to go. He stood up and glanced at the world behind him one last time. It had been the most satisfying of experiences. But it was time, he walked away.

Long Live Asia!​

Clearly this time line has departed from ours. It would be nice to see how it reaches the year 2000. Mayb someone will run it forward for us.

 

[alex994]

OOC: It's wistful thinking on my part and a summary of my goals as a player

World Peace, Prosperity and Order. So much better than our own history.

 

[Perfectionist]

Damned traitorous Indians, but I suppose I can't stop them if they want to sign their own death warrant. Very sorry to see the NES end, of course. It's been great, and thanks for putting so much time into it. I hope you will forgive me one last minor criticism, however: the Battle of Xaafuun is all wrong.

“Asia is supreme.” –Alex994

But Africa's catching up fast

 

[~Darkening~]

It was fun. I look forward to when you restart it . Can't leave the back-stabbing, lying Austrians in charge, now can we ? And yes, the saddest thing for me was that I never had a chance to attack him (yet). Bird, you might have mentioned it, but what happened to my troops that landed in Brandenburg?

 

[fantasmo]

It was fun. I look forward to when you restart it . Can't leave the back-stabbing, lying Austrians in charge, now can we ? And yes, the saddest thing for me was that I never had a chance to attack him (yet). Bird, you might have mentioned it, but what happened to my troops that landed in Brandenburg?

Who are you to call me lying, when you took so much land in Germany despite saying you weren't going to keep any land?


...Besdies, I'm not in charge of anything, really, I just do what the Pope tells me.


Bird, this is the most fun I've ever had in a NES, and I hope you bring it back one day, because I'll most certainly be around to reclaim my beautiful Austria. I'ma miss this NES.

 

[~Darkening~]

Who are you to call me lying, when you took so much land in Germany despite saying you weren't going to keep any land?

First off, i call you lying since you attacked for Bohemia, not the Pope :}. Then theres the fact unlike you, we didn't kill the right ruler of the province . Then theres the line from the update speaking of how "France brought peace to the west of the Rhone" and that "France restored Frederick to the throne after recreating the Palatine" . And, give me a little time- I needed to drive you out of Brandenburg before I could safely leave .

Can't leave the Germanies in the hands of villans, now can I? :}

 

[jeps]

This NES has been awesome. Seriously. I completely called the happenings of this update, BTW.

As much as I dont like what happened to the alliance (except Ethiopia), GREAT UPDATE

shall play again after Hiatus (couldnt come at a better time though, I might have had to NPC myself with all the stuff upcoming)

 

[Birdjaguar]

I hope you will forgive me one last minor criticism, however: the Battle of Xaafuun is all wrong.

How so? xcl

 

[Luckymoose]

Well I was about to go on a colony spree. And become super rich.

 

[~Darkening~]

Bird, you might have mentioned it, but what happened to my troops that landed in Brandenburg?

*****cough*****

 

[alex994]

How so? xcl

OOC: Well, he may be of the opinion that your description of the size of my ships are incorrect as well as their stability and endurance not to mention the greater firepower possessed by my fleet and her greater range. Generally speaking, my fleet could be argued as being overpowered in crushing the fleets of three other nations.

Of course, do excuse me if I'm incorrect Perfectionist, but the above are my own estimates and guesses of what you may find incorrect about the Battle.

 

[Perfectionist]

How so? xcl

Ship-killing cannons, broadsides, unrealistically huge and maneuverable ships, line of battle, high castled ships with none of the drawbacks thereof, multi-deckers, lack of hardwood shortages.

 

[Birdjaguar]

*****cough*****

The capture and execution of the Elector pretty much eleiminated Brandenburg for the foreseeable future and your attack on Austria seemed less productive and mostly wasteful. I was also torn between that and having you invade Portugal for their support to the Orders attack on Vespuccica. So I opted for nothing so that your dominance of western Germany would not be at risk.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Ship-killing cannons, broadsides, unrealistically huge and maneuverable ships, line of battle, high castled ships with none of the drawbacks thereof, multi-deckers, lack of hardwood shortages.

The Khmer ship size is a scaled down version of the Chinese treasure ships from 1420.
The battle action and sinking of ships was taken from accounts of the English battle with Spain in 1588 (The Armada).
The tactics are a bit advanced, but all players have ratched up the battlefield maneuvers as well as naval tactics. All the long distance invasions are terribly unrealistic too.
Multi decks were never mentioned.
Hardwood shortages like so many other supply issues are always ignored in NESes.
And lastly...it is a game.

 

[~Darkening~]

The capture and execution of the Elector pretty much eleiminated Brandenburg for the foreseeable future and your attack on Austria seemed less productive and mostly wasteful. I was also torn between that and having you invade Portugal for their support to the Orders attack on Vespuccica. So I opted for nothing so that your dominance of western Germany would not be at risk.

...I wanted to fight the evil Austrians....Oh well . I'll just let my head say that they all died being incrediably outnumbered :}.

 

[bombshoo]

Well I was successful everywhere but in the West, and that wasn't an utter failure so I have no qualms. Great NES Bird, GG Perfectionist, Abbadon, J_eps and The Loser. Big thanks to my allies in time of need, Silver, Alex, Germanicus. This is Bombshoo signing out. Until next time,

 

[Thlayli]

I enjoyed being intolerant and causing trouble for people. Though I regret not being able to do some good old-fashioned Asian plundering, there's always another NES for that. Hopefully multiple ones.

Absences aside, I think LittleBoots' Papacies were the best "characters" of the NES, from a player point of view.

Now, whoever killed the Pope, please stand up. For the record, I did assassinate the Archduke of Austria.

 

[LittleBoots]

I was disappointed to go out with a whimper, especially when I just worked out a new Pope and geared myself for getting really involved again. But ah well. It was to be a time of clemency and peace for all, even the French, but, as they say there, c'est la vie.

Thlalyi, I still love you. But I must admit that supporting your crazy order was the biggest mistake of my Papal career Even if it wasn't working, I should've stayed reformist and peaceful. It, at least, appeared to work better and in any case made feel better as a virtuous human being

 

[Perfectionist]

The Khmer ship size is a scaled down version of the Chinese treasure ships from 1420.

The reported size of those ships is hyperbole. When the RN tried to build a five thousand ton wooden ship, it was structurally unsound even when reinforced. Besides, treasure ships generally handle like dying whales, and fifteenth century ship designs would be almost totally useless in a battle decided by firepower anyway. The line between merchantman and warship was blurry in the sixteenth century; however, in the middle seventeenth, which is where this battle apparently takes place, ships of the line had a marked advantage over merchantmen like the treasure ships.

The battle action and sinking of ships was taken from accounts of the English battle with Spain in 1588 (The Armada).

Naval cannon simply did not have the ability to blow ships to pieces like that. Look at Trafalgar: the most decisive engagement of the sailing age, and not one ship was sunk by cannon fire. Or John Paul Jones v. HMS Serapis: three hours of broadsides at point blank range, and in the end the battle was decided by a boarding part. Hell, at Gravelines the English ran out of ammunition without touching the Spanish battle fleet; it was Drake's fire ships and the Protestant Wind that did for them. At any rate, I'm glad you mentioned the Armada, because I distinctly recall ordering my latest purchase of ships to be race-built, specifically to counter the wallowing eastern treasure ships.

The tactics are a bit advanced, but all players have ratched up the battlefield maneuvers as well as naval tactics.

They're more than a bit advanced. Broadside is about 1610-20, line of battle is 1640-1660. You wouldn't let me use land tactics from 1630.

All the long distance invasions are terribly unrealistic too.

Nah, what's unrealistic is the resistance. In OTL, the Portuguese took Hormuz against odds of 600 to 1.

Multi decks were never mentioned.

Only way the Khmer could get such a massive firepower edge.

Hardwood shortages like so many other supply issues are always ignored in NESes.

Well, it shouldn't be. Securing manpower and resources for the army is generally considered; the navy shouldn't be different. Timber, and in particular mast timber, was often the limiting factor on naval growth.

One other thing I would point out is that the Khmer cannons simply can't be better than the European ones. There are technological limits, and in OTL there was no major change in the ballistic characteristics of naval cannon from the early sixteenth century until after the Napoleonic Wars.

 

[Thlayli]

I still think we could have wiped out the Protestants. We were making such progress! This definitely fulfills my monthly quota of religious fanaticism, at least until Iggy's NES.

Anyway, great work with everything Bird.