BirdNES 3: When Worlds Collide
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No, things are different than last turn. Initiative changes based on lots of variables including faction scores and prestige. Your presitge is down, Trade involving India and the Indian Ocean is down across the board because of the war and an increase in piracy. Your corruption is up a little too. I'm guessing that most of what you see as "wonky" is because of prestige, trade and corruption. I don't think you are alone in seeing a drop in trade and therefore a drop in cash.
Also keep in mind that stats are shown in whole numbers, but use actuals for calculations. So if a stat is a "1", it could have been ".9" last turn and is now ".6". This is particularly true about faction scores and they are used in lots of places.
Karalysia, I do appreciate both your concerns and your history lesson. Your knowledge of Indian history is much better than most and I was quite pleased when you were playing Delhi. At the moment I have only one player for the whole region. Teh whole horse issue was pretty interesting. I'm not sure I can manage such details though even if I knew what all of those resource situations were world wide.
As the mod of this game I try to keep players within the bounds that I know for the period, but I do not want to restrict palyers to what actually happened. The Indian dynamics you describe may be true, but my job is to create a fun game that is not bound so tightly to history. I'm sure that the history purist cringe at my games because I do allow nations to take very ahistorical paths.
If you would like to submit separate, more realistic, very short order sets for all my Indian NPCs, I'd love it. Right now I have very little time to devote to NPCs unless they get attacked.
As the mod of this game I try to keep players within the bounds that I know for the period, but I do not want to restrict palyers to what actually happened. The Indian dynamics you describe may be true, but my job is to create a fun game that is not bound so tightly to history. I'm sure that the history purist cringe at my games because I do allow nations to take very ahistorical paths.
If you would like to submit separate, more realistic, very short order sets for all my Indian NPCs, I'd love it. Right now I have very little time to devote to NPCs unless they get attacked.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
I challenge the stats on ground of England having double my income and nearly beating both France and Spain combined. Also that England has galleons when Spain hasn't, even though our cooperating ally neighbor had them first. Stats are seriously hurting my interest.
I'll take a look.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
I'm just confused by how this system is done. Every turn I'm always crushed in some stat. England jumped above me in nearly every stat in one turn while I'm continually investing and England doesn't even have the global trading network I do.
Here are a couple of things: you did not probably notice either England's debt listing in its stats (5000 owed) or that he got 2600 gold from other sources than his economy this turn. The "gifts" go into cash and the debts are not taken out, so his stats are inflated a bit. Also if you compare your economy to his there is a big difference there; his is 50% larger (20 vs 13).
There is a problem with his trade though. Immaculate just asked me about his trade because his trade routes stat is empty in spite of his new exploration and I told him the routes would show up next turn. As it turns out, that line in his stats had an error and his high trade stat (141) did include routes than he should not have this turn. When I fixed the link, the routes popped up. I have adjusted his trade to what it should be and will repost his stats in a little bit.
It never hurts to question if somethign looks out of whack.
There is a problem with his trade though. Immaculate just asked me about his trade because his trade routes stat is empty in spite of his new exploration and I told him the routes would show up next turn. As it turns out, that line in his stats had an error and his high trade stat (141) did include routes than he should not have this turn. When I fixed the link, the routes popped up. I have adjusted his trade to what it should be and will repost his stats in a little bit.
It never hurts to question if somethign looks out of whack.
Kentharu
Zebra Commander
Bird you made a mistake on Austria's stats. It says he still has 10 ships. Did he not sell them?
Your are correct it should be zero. Thanks.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
It's illogical for England to have more base income than France or Spain, especially without a colonial empire. They simply over took me in one turn without my stats so much as changing and I'm supposed to be raking in more income. How did they have such a tech jump over everyone else? I've been investing for every turn and mine hasn't increased at all. China has better land tech than I do. 
. Are my investments just not counting or is there some magic formula that everyone else knows how to exploit that I'm missing?
. Are my investments just not counting or is there some magic formula that everyone else knows how to exploit that I'm missing?
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
They aren't protestant.
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The upkeep for my navy should be 0 now, since I have none.
It's a magic formula that everyone knows except you.It's illogical for England to have more base income than France or Spain, especially without a colonial empire. They simply over took me in one turn without my stats so much as changing and I'm supposed to be raking in more income. How did they have such a tech jump over everyone else? I've been investing for every turn and mine hasn't increased at all. China has better land tech than I do.
At this point the colonial empires are not contributing a lot to their owners economy. The oldest ones are only about 30 years old. A colony's trade number is the number that adds to your trade economy and cash. Once a colony has wealth, you can move that wealth from the colony to your nation and either cash it out for gold or add to your nation's wealth. The wealth to gold conversion varies, but generally you can estimate getting about 1000 gold for every wealth point you convert. so if "pirates" raid a colony and pillage its wealth, they will reduce its wealth and gain gold. New Spain is the wealthiest of the New World colonies at 3. Wealthy colonies attract more settlers and grow faster, so you need to not get too greedy and remove all the wealth from those distant places.
A nation's econoic growth is directed by player spending and a few variables. England has spent wisely. Catching up in tech is much easier thatn being the first. Once a nation figures out how to do somnething better, everyone else tends to jump on board and copy. Those who spend nothing on tech and who do not engage in war, tend to fall behind. Spain spent zero on ship (or any) tech last turn and didn't make any progress, but galleons will come your way even if you don't spend anything. It just takes a little longer. A good strategy is to wait until someone else does the hard work of developing new tech and then copying it once you see it. More industrialized nations can copy new tech more quickly than more primitive ones. Songhai took 20 years to develop guns because they were so far behind Europe. Spain grabbed matchlocks in a single turn once Russia had them, and at no expense.
I will fix both of these. Thanks.
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BJ: If you are assuming the mantle of Pope, is the last pope dead? will there be a succession?
EDIT: I noticed some funny stuff when i reread the update;
the whole thing with the 4 women and 6 men picked up from the islands- and they were 'gently used' - haha.
EDIT: I noticed some funny stuff when i reread the update;
the whole thing with the 4 women and 6 men picked up from the islands- and they were 'gently used' - haha.
At this point he is still alive and running the church.
levels of "industrialization" are tracked for now by "artisan level". Nations with a higher artisan level generally use "more advanced" production techniques. IIRC the Aztecs are at level 1 or 2 and Spain at level 4. They will need to gain some sophistication in their production before they can make guns. it will be easier for them to get to level 4 than for you to get to level 5 because they can see where they need to get to and you cannot. Europeans can teach tehm level 4 stuff, but there is no one to teach you level 5 things.
Actually, the spread of matchlocks from Russia & Poland was facilitated by the House of Lee which copied them and began to make and sell them in the west.
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