BOTM 22 Final Spoiler

[Ronnie1]

Some more questions, since religions VC is something I have never done before:

1. You cannot vote yourself in correct? Ie, if you have more than 75% of the vote all to yourself, diplo victory is not an option?

2. The rival candidates are either whoever built the AP, or whoever is in the correct state religion with the most votes? Or does the second person not need to be in the correct state religion either?

3. Following from 3, if your friend that you have spread the religion to converts to that religion, they would then become your rival?

So the trick is to make sure every player has at least one city with the religion, preferably a single small city. Then make sure you don't have >75% of the vote. Then make sure you have a friend with some votes who is NOT your rival, ie, not in the correct religion. Does that sound about right?

I'm not sure at all....but I think all those things are why I have NEVER succeeded....and hardly ever even try!

 

[jesusin]

Some more questions, since religions VC is something I have never done before:

1. You cannot vote yourself in correct? Ie, if you have more than 75% of the vote all to yourself, diplo victory is not an option?

2. The rival candidates are either whoever built the AP, or whoever is in the correct state religion with the most votes? Or does the second person not need to be in the correct state religion either?

3. Following from 3, if your friend that you have spread the religion to converts to that religion, they would then become your rival?

So the trick is to make sure every player has at least one city with the religion, preferably a single small city. Then make sure you don't have >75% of the vote. Then make sure you have a friend with some votes who is NOT your rival, ie, not in the correct religion. Does that sound about right?

It all looks correct.

 

[kcd_swede]

Some more questions, since religions VC is something I have never done before:

1. You cannot vote yourself in correct? Ie, if you have more than 75% of the vote all to yourself, diplo victory is not an option?

2. The rival candidates are either whoever built the AP, or whoever is in the correct state religion with the most votes? Or does the second person not need to be in the correct state religion either?

3. Following from 3, if your friend that you have spread the religion to converts to that religion, they would then become your rival?

So the trick is to make sure every player has at least one city with the religion, preferably a single small city. Then make sure you don't have >75% of the vote. Then make sure you have a friend with some votes who is NOT your rival, ie, not in the correct religion. Does that sound about right?

Yeah, that's pretty much the way it works. What you need to know is how it can all go wrong on you. First, in a normal religious VC game you are using a common religion to build plus diplo (you switch into your monopoly religion the turn before you build AP, then back again asap in 5 turns). So you are aiming to get your victory vote before Free Religion comes around. If AI go into FR, you lose a lot of diplo that will cost you many turns to make up. You have to get OB with everyone in order to spread the AP religion there.

Theocracy is another sticking point. If AI switch to theocracy you cannot use a missionary on them. You CAN gift them the missionary if you have OB, and then they will use it (however, they will often move it to a large city before using it, which makes the vote-getting harder).

One AI will inevitably start spreading the AP religion themselves if you give them enough time. And then they will be able to block you easily in any vote, unless they are your true dear friends (in which case you should not have waited for them to spread AP religion to more than one city of theirs). But you need to be careful not to spread it too much in a friend (esp if they haven't founded a religion themselves that they are using), or they will convert to AP and your freind is now your rival and blocking your victory. Kill him (even capitulated he can be your rival and not vote for you). Without wrecking diplo with others.

It can be a bit tricky to get it right in the time you have to do it; and if you miss it you have put yourself behind for other VC's, (but switching to a culture or diplo VC shouldn't be too much of a stretch). It is considered "cheesy" by some, because it is the most formulaic victory type in the Civ4 series. Once you've done it a few times you'll know pretty much how to do it every time. But on Deity its still damn impressive if you ask me!

 

[Airny]

Some more questions, since religions VC is something I have never done before:
3. Following from 3, if your friend that you have spread the religion to converts to that religion, they would then become your rival?

I have not much to add, you got it right and my predecessors got it right. When you say "rival", it means that they qualify for leader of the AP elections and therefore won't vote for you but themselves.

 

[Xcalibrator]

This was my first Deity game ever. I started only about a week ago knowing that I wouldn't be able to finish but figuring I'd die pretty quickly, so what the heck. After reading all these reports I think I shan't continue.

I settled in place and then put my second city up on the NE tip to secure my back yard. Made that my Moai city to good effect. I never considered going for the little island to the east, although it would have been a big help later in the game; after I declared on Churchill I had no trade routes because I was without Astro. I founded 4 more cities down south, including the clams/iron site, but missed out on the gems site when barbs beat me to it. They also settled a city in the western pass, but both barb blocking cities were captured pretty quickly by Churchill. Winnie founded Christianity which spread to me and Fred so we were buddies for a long time.

I was doing OKish on the techs and managed to trade for stuff when I got CoL and Philo, and got Engineering (for trebs) fairly early, but really fell behind once I declared war on Winnie because of the lack of trade routes. There were no other wars that I was aware of, although I still haven't met Joao or Tokugawa.

Once I got Engineering (and Guilds soon after) I started chopping and whipping an army to go after Churchill, staring with his gems city. I declared in 1100 AD with 13 trebs, 4 knights, 10 maces, 5 Xbows, 1 Lbow, and 1 Gallic warrior (the only one I ever built) versus 8 Lbows, 12 maces, 5 spears, and 5 cats. Apart from losing 7 trebs, I didn't get a scratch! After that I sent some leftover units to go after the western blocking city (with silks and bananas) and took that. Meanwhile my eastern army moved on to the next city but Churchill kept sending in more and more reinforcements, including some shiny new musketmen. I knocked down his 125% defenses to 0% but Fred's score was over 3000 while I was still last with around 1000, and with so many units on the march I was barely pulling in any gold on 0% research, so I bagged the game. The only reason I might continue (for a few more turns) is that the border situation is such that I could teleport a missionary, settler, mace, and worker into the mountain-ringed dyes meadow with a ceasefire. There's only one barb axe in there and it would make a nice safe specialist city. Did anybody settle a city in there?

No wonders. Still last on score, though gaining ground on some civs. Churchill's Apostolic Palace helped with getting hammers in my cities but made the war timing difficult. The desert was pretty harsh, Niklas. I like a challenge, but you owe us. Still, I had fun with this, and getting all those triple Guerrilla and Woodsman units made me feel macho.

 

[DynamicSpirit]

This was my first Deity game ever. I started only about a week ago knowing that I wouldn't be able to finish but figuring I'd die pretty quickly, so what the heck. After reading all these reports I think I shan't continue.

Well since this is the final spoiler and you're only allowed to read it after you've submitted or abandoned, you can't continue the game and submit it now anyway - it'd be against the competition rules

Nice attempt though - well done for getting that far in a difficult game

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

Hi

I just finished my game (drunk after a party but hey ): Contender save -> Diplo win in 1735 ad - 150k score...

the deal: submission page isn't loading and only a bit more than 6 hours on the clock left


Raskolnikov

 

[Gosha190]

me so... I cannot submit my game. I finished it 6 ours ago... What shall I do?

religion victory 1430AD 163045 points.

"The server at gotm.civfanatics.net is taking too long to respond."

PS seems deadline is close... my finish file:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=231362&stc=1&d=1255773422

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

^^ I sent my save by email to Niklas and Alan... but there is another thread saying that we might get an extension delay because the server is down ...
Nice game Gosha!

 

[Gosha190]

Where can I get theirs mails? I attached my finish here...

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

I sent you Alan's adress in PM

 

[Gosha190]

Thanx RRR!

My game is terrible!!! I finished it in 17 ours length session and made huge number of mistakes...

I planned domy victory but was short in time and switch my game to religion.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

Funny, I played 17 hours too! I guess Freddy (28 cities in my game) forced everyone to switch from domination -> something else I did a bit of military myself too, taking both Joao and Lincoln as vassals to complete the roster of people voting me the win... I guess I'll post a report later, as I have nearly not slept since 24 hours

Cheers

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

submission page seems to work again!

 

[AlanH]

I rebooted the server. It's working again, and I've extended the deadline for this game by 24 hours.

 

[Gosha190]

Funny, I played 17 hours too! I guess Freddy (28 cities in my game) forced everyone to switch from domination -> something else I did a bit of military myself too, taking both Joao and Lincoln as vassals to complete the roster of people voting me the win... I guess I'll post a report later, as I have nearly not slept since 24 hours

Cheers

I killed Hanny fully and got Pyrs, GLh, Colossus, AP from him. It was 1110AD.

Then I forgot to spread state religion to AP city and for a long time was waitng for.. nothing This is one new thing I'v known.

Then I infected too much Freddy cities. But, what a happy coincidence! I got defensive pact with Freddy and he did not counted as my opponent. This is second new thing for me.

I got 18 cities at my finish, Freddy - more than 20. I was third in score among AIs. It was somewhat 300 points lower than Freddy's score, who was a leader in score.

 

[jesusin]

Then I infected too much Freddy cities. But, what a happy coincidence! I got defensive pact with Freddy and he did not counted as my opponent. This is second new thing for me.

What do you mean? Was he in the AP religion?

 

[Gosha190]

Buddhism was AP religion. Freddy, Churchill and me was in Confy. I got AP (built in Buddhism), from Hanny, who found Christ. So AP city was infected by Buddhism and Christ only! There was no Confu. and I was waiting for election vainly for a long time.

Missed election:

B 184 for B
CH 53 for B
F 130 for B (defensive pact with B)!
J 6 abst
L 10 abst
W 128 abs (free religion!)

I got 367 votes instead of 383 from 511.

Passed election:

B 211 for B
CH 107 for B
F 187 for B (defensive pact with B)!
J 7 abst
L 10 abst
W 135 abs (free religion!)

I got 505 votes from 657 (needed 492)

PS I have no opponents both times.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

^^interesting stuffs about the AP (didn't know about the 2nd)... I ended up with more points than Fred but only after having 2 vassals. Still, I only had 23 cities to his 27 or 28 (he had 20+ since at least a millenium )... I am glad Freddy is peacefull and not Shaka like

 

[Airny]

Seems like some players made successful attacks here. Could you describe your attack plans? Most people didn't dare or had no chance, so I guess they'd appreciate it too.