Britain/England - Modern Age Civilization speculation

[Evie]

That's beyond absurd in every possible sense. Even assuming we get double the civs from Civ VI by the end (100), that'Ms still more than 10% of the civ for a single pair of island at the end of a continent. There is no possible rational for justifying that kind of focus on a single island.

At most I could see 3 English-ish civs (Anglo Saxon in Ancient, Normans or England in Exploration, Britain in Modern), and 3 Celtic ones (Britons in Ancient, and some combination of Welsh, Irish or Scots in the last two spots).

 

[Patine]

It also went to the bottom of the ocean in pieces - while the Iowa didn't.

No, the Iowa was decommissioned after an accident that killed servicemen that the Navy refused to acknowledge responsibility for or pay compensation to the families, and then became a museum ship for jeering children to gawk at and seagulls to relieve themselves on.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

No, the Iowa was decommissioned after an accident that killed servicemen that the Navy refused to acknowledge responsibility for or pay compensation to the families, and then became a museum ship for jeering children to gawk at and seagulls to relieve themselves on.

The point being that none of the Iowa class ships were sunk in battle (another indicator being the number of battleships cluttering up American coastal cities as 'museums' or exhibits) , while all of the Yamato class were, and emblematic of the Battleship class of ships, they were all sunk by aircraft or submarine, not other battleships. Sic transit gloria

 

[Phrozen]

Battleship graphic should be the USS Texas as it was a dreadnaught upgraded to a battleship. Also, it has the cool historical note of almost sinking itself filling its ballasts so it could fire farther inland during D-Day.

 

[Zaarin]

Civilizations have never been defined by unified rule, so that's not a relevant point ; it's clear from the wonder choice and from Ed Beach'S description that the Normans are primarily there for the Anglo-Normans, and secondarily for the rest.

I would have found the Normans more exciting if they did represent the broader Norman civilization and especially Norman Sicily (which developed a fascinating fusion of Norman, Sicilian, Arab, and Byzantine culture). Focusing almost exclusively on the Anglo-Normans severely dampened my enthusiasm for what initially seemed like an interesting choice; in that respect, I would have much preferred a culture-and-trade-focused Tudor England.

 

[Evie]

Likewise, but, well, Ed Beach got obsessed with place names in England (and badly mosread some recent scholarship on the existence of England, it seems), and here we are.

That said I do still think a broader Norman civ would still have largely precluded a separate English one, because very little of Medieval to Early Modern England (post conquest) falls outside the broader Norman civilization - some extent of the Tudor, and the Stuart, but by the Stuart you're already looking at proto-British civilization, with all the major ingredients in place though not formally unified yet.