[BtS] DIPLOMACY: a mod for Diplogames!

Firstly,

@ Madman; what's a Jibaro? And is it a good thing that it looks like that?

@ TAdF; great suggestions, just the type of feedback I need. Basically I am going to do what you suggested, CURRENTLY I plan on adding the following features;

- Manhattan Project will be altered as discussed previously
- Next War will be added along with maybe 2 to 3 more techs, this is only because I plan on adding a few new buildings and units, the techs will provide the buildings and units.
- Space Ships will take longer to build, require more research and also require certain buildings for specific parts. In effect it will be more difficult to win a space victory, I might also give a spy the ability to sabatoge the space ship. This could be parts or the entire thing, but they'd have to go to the enemy city that has Apollo.
- I am going to add more religions
- I might change Inquisitors to require a new building rather than the cathedral, which is pretty expensive to build
- I was thinking of adding that modcomp where barbarian states can rise into nations if they stay around for a while
- I am definitely adding the terraforming mod by avain. To plant forests you will only need environmentalism, or will have to be running the environmentalism civic. I haven't decided that yet. The terraforming itself will be a futuristic tech that might even need a new updated worker unit (like the clone worker from Next War or whatever)
- I might add the windfarms from Thomas' War, which is tile improvement for deserts. This would also require an early future tech.
- The regular version will only have the Israelis and Iroquois added, the Deluxe edition will have all of the modules I have made (and am making) plus the next six civs which will be released as a module pack and with the deluxe edition.

This is basically all I am going to do. Honestly I don't see many changes to gameplay there. What I liked about the first Diplomacy mod is that I didn't make many gamebreaking changes. In this set of changes the only real ones are to the future era, and the units/buildings won't be that overpowered because (a) everyone can build the units, and (b) the buildings will mostly be there to allow you to build certain units or spaceship parts, there will be slight bonuses and negatives (probably to health to keep it harder later if that is possible). But I agree with you, in general I don't want the mod to be too different.

EDIT: oh yeah, I am going to change some of the UBs, and I can take a look at the UUs

I had an urge to do this unit, so the unit got done. Here is the Filipino UU; the Katipunero. What do you think?

Very nice Katipunero.
Also, I'd set Inquisitors to Monasteries. I finally started noticing that glitch you mentioned, and it was getting really annoying.

Also, I'd still suggest maybe changing around some traits.
Not what the traits do, but with what has who. I'm still fairly confused about things such as why Washington is -expansive.- Only new leader off the top of my head with odd traits it Ahmadenijad, who is Philosophical/Protective. He seems more like an Industrious/Charismatic to me.

The way I've always thought traits should be handed out:

Aggressive - Warmongers, or anyone known for large bloodbaths. (Ex. Khan, Hitler)

Charismatic - Anyone known for diplomacy, wit, or tactics. (Ex. Churchill, Napoleon)

Creative - Any leader to put an emphasis on the arts, or a leader that had a large impact on the culture of his nation. (Ex. Henry "Greensleeves" VIII, Charles V maybe)

Expansive - Any leader that explored or grabbed land by relatively peaceful means. Fighting another country = no-no, but angering native tribes. (ex. Jefferson)

Financial - Naval leaders, or leaders that had some major economic impact. (Any Viking leader, Queen Victoria, Nixon)

Industrious - Any leader known for a great wonder, or for industrializing their nation in some way. (Rameses and Stalin are perfect with this)

Imperialistic - Anyone that expanded their empire by less-than-peaceful means. (Most Roman leaders, of course)

Organized - Any leader that changed their government some how, or was known for bringing order or changing the law. Pretty much anyone that -created- a nation. (Hammurabi, Washington, Lenin)

Philosophical - Anyone that was in power during a massive transition in terms of technology, was known for being philosophical, or any leaders known for being meritocratic (or who ruled over caste systems.) (Elizabeth II, any Indian leader, if we ever add Singapore for some reason this'd be them)

Protective - Any leader that had to defend itself against another nation, but did not attack first, although they may have declared first for reasons besides warmongering. (Churchill, Sitting Bull, Shaka)

Spiritual - Obvious. Just any leader known for putting a gigantic emphasis on religion, or any leader that ended up creating/changing a religion. (Isabella, Charles V)
 
In Puerto Rico's case, it's a person from the rural areas. It's a good thing.

This exactly what I'd expect to see in the Grito de Lares, if they had rifles instead of just machetes.
 
Let's talk favorite civics:

Muñoz Marín should be Charismatic (the reason is obvious) and Industrious, since he transformed the agricultural economy of the island into an industrial one. Mercantilism would be a good choice for a favorite civic, since it's supposed to represent the New Deal. Muñoz Marín supported the New Deal and was an ally of President Roosevelt.

We discussed Sennacherib a while ago and decided his favorite civic should be Vassalage.

Marcos? Well, Police State, of course! He's known for his martial law.

Duvalier should also have Police State.

Toussaint should obviously have Emancipation.

Geronimo and Cochise... not too sure about them.
 
Let's talk favorite civics:

Muñoz Marín should be Charismatic (the reason is obvious) and Industrious, since he transformed the agricultural economy of the island into an industrial one. Mercantilism would be a good choice for a favorite civic, since it's supposed to represent the New Deal. Muñoz Marín supported the New Deal and was an ally of President Roosevelt.

We discussed Sennacherib a while ago and decided his favorite civic should be Vassalage.

Marcos? Well, Police State, of course! He's known for his martial law.

Duvalier should also have Police State.

Toussaint should obviously have Emancipation.

Geronimo and Cochise... not too sure about them.

I'd give Mongkut Hereditary Rule. For Rammy.. hard to say. Maybe OR?
 
I'd say nationhood for Cochise and for Geronimo... I have no idea. Maybe the same thing but that'd be pretty lame.

Who is the Grito de Lares? I'm just asking because I haven't got a straight answer on whether or not you think the unit is good for the Puerto Rican rifleman yet! Damn it! :p

Ambrox is nearly finished with the Hittite three man chariot, and I'm pretty excited because its a good looking unit and you can see what the Hittite ancient units will look like (hint: like this...)

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I am not sure what to use on their flag, I am PRETTY SURE they would have some sort of lion or something to that effect.
 
The Grito de Lares was an 1868 failed uprising against Spanish rule.

I actually have a flag for the Hittites. It's a guy in a chariot.
 
I just wanted to let you guys know all of the diplomacy text can be modular with the WoC modular loading.

That is why I was asking more or less. I would love to have some improved diplomacy modular if you know what I mean. I would like to have some good work done that could be shared very easily with anyone using the RevDCM WoC Lite, and seems that is exactly what you guys are doing.

Each leader can just have a folder that can be dragged out or in to use him. It not required to do this, but really think it would be nice.

The religion symbols there is enough space so anyone using RevDCM could share them without having to modify the font files. So any of the stuff made can be shared much easier is what I was hoping with this. And again this is not required to use RevDCM.
 
I'd say nationhood for Cochise and for Geronimo... I have no idea. Maybe the same thing but that'd be pretty lame.

In my game I gave Geronimo Universal Suffrage. I also couldn't think of something good. So, if anybody has more suggestions...
 
I'd go for nationhood for both.
 
I have to ask a serious question now; what exactly is going on in your avatar TAdF?

It's a creepy image I got off a site. I made it my avatar on another forum, but I was told it wasn't "classy" by a mod.
So I gave it a monocle, a fez (top hat wouldn't fit), and an 1800sy moustache. I then asked the mod if that was classy enough, and they laughed so hard they let me keep it.
I like to think of it as a classy, 1800sy gentleman answer to Baphomet.

Also, meant to ask. Is there a leaderhead already made for Rammy, or were you going to make one yourself?
 
I am having a hard time deciding what the Puerto Rican Grenadier should look like. I want to make them match the era of the Cuirassier and Musketman, while the Cannon, Cavalry and Rifleman will have similar eras. So anyway here are a couple of Grenadiers I have come up with for them, what do you guys think?
 
They definitely look like Ponce de León.

In case you don't know, he was the first governor of Puerto Rico! But he didn't find the fountain of youth there, so he went to Florida.

I'd go with the one on the right.
 
And here's what I have for the cavalry. I didn't have much to go on, the image I based it on was a bad shot (I only had the BACK of the cavalry to work with) but I threw this together using the head from Bernie's Spanish Rifleman and I just kinda made the uniform up as I went along.

EDIT: Now I just have to figure out a good Borinqueneer model that looks good but also unique and not just a marine. BTW should it replace the marine or the infantry? The reason I ask is because I THINK the Katipunero and Tonton are already going to replace Infantry, so that'd be three out of the six modules using an Infantry UU. I DO realize they are technically the 65th Infantry Battalion, but you must keep in mind that as a UU they do not actually have to be Marines to replace Marines (see Aussie Digger)
 
This is text for Pol Pot.

First Contact Text:
On behalf of the peasants of the [OUR_CIV_SHORT] Rouge, I, [OUR_NAME], Brother Number 1, send you greetings, [CT_NAME]. Make with the peace or I'll kill you.

Refuse to Talk:
Go opress someone else, you capitalist pig!

No Peace:
To keep around here is no benefit, to destroy you is no loss. And I intend to destroy you, [CT_NAME]!

Friendly Greeting:
Greetings, [CT_NAME]! Would you like to work on one of our rice fields? Trust me on this, it's not as swelteringly hot and infested with mosquitoes as you think!

Annoyed Greeting:
Oh, you're back? Well, I guess I have no choice but to talk to a bourgeois pig like you, so go ahead.

Demand Tribute Weaker:
The [OUR_CIV_ADJ] people are complaining about not being fed enough! Give me this so I can shut them up for once!

Demand Tribute Equal:
Do you enjoy being repeatedly suffocated and having your toenails removed with pliers? No! Then give us this, [CT_NAME]!

Demand Tribute Stronger:
Hand this over or it'll be Year Zero for you, dog!
 
This is what I came up with for the Borinqueneer. He uses Marine animations and I don't know if you can tell from the image but he wears that backpack that is floating above him. I still want to add an insignia or two to make the unit look more unique but I am having trouble finding a picture of the logo without a background to make it easier to paste on.
 
I'm working on the Lechonera right now, so far I made a new sign and I just wanted to make sure you thought it looked okay before I proceed. I wanted to make the walls and windows look less crappy, maybe give it a Puerto Rican character so I'll need Madman's help on that as I have never been there. What do you think so far and what should I do to the rest of it?

EDIT: if you are wondering where I got the Lechonera Los Pinos from, I basically did an image search for "Lechonera" and that one dominated the images I've seen, so its either really popular or really well advertised. Either way its finding a spot in Diplomacy 2!
 
I was near there last weekend. I believe it's well-advertised, since the Billboard is the biggest and there was a lot of markets near it and stuff.

It looks pretty good as is, actually. If you fix the windows and doors you could have one.
 
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