[BtS] DIPLOMACY: a mod for Diplogames!

[The Almighty dF]

I was only going to replace Henry VIII because I thought NikNaks was making a Maggie Thatcher LH, but he isn't so I'm not replacing him. I'll probably retexture him a little though.

I can only imagine how hard Thatcher would be to make.

Also, I see now.
They added Richard the III, but his leaderhead is Richard I. ...Kinda odd.

 

[MadmanOfALeader]

Who's the Lionheart?

 

[The Capo]

Yeah they definitely screwed that up. Richard I is the one known as the Lionheart. I think Richard the III is much later, almost around the time of Henry VIII actually.

 

[The Almighty dF]

Who's the Lionheart?

Lionheart is Richard I. The English king who went against Saladin. He's also known as Redbeard (good way to remember his appearance.)
Richard III is the king most non-British remember for being an evil Shakespearean king that killed his sons. (Not a redhead.)

Nature of Man features a redheaded bearded English king in a somewhat Templarish set of armor, obviously meant to be Richard III. I think whoever wrote the text for them got the two confused. Has anyone pointed that out to them?

 

[MadmanOfALeader]

Richard has a good-looking LH, though.

What do you think about this for Urho Kekkonen?

<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_FIRST_CONTACT_LEADER_KEKKONEN_1</Tag>
<English>Welcome to the [OUR_EMPIRE], [CT_NAME]. My name is [OUR_NAME] and I am willing to be your friend. Just don't get the screwy idea that you're going to get everything you want out of [OUR_CIV_SHORT].</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_REFUSE_TO_TALK_LEADER_KEKKONEN_1</Tag>
<English>Sorry, [CT_NAME], but unless you're my mistress, you're not coming in!</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_NO_PEACE_LEADER_KEKKONEN_1</Tag>
<English>[OUR_CIV_SHORT] may have been your friend, but has and never will be your puppet state, [CT_NAME]!</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_GREETINGS_ATT_FR_LEADER_KEKKONEN_1 </Tag>
<English>Wow, you're back already, [CT_NAME]. Let's go to the sauna and tell some funny stories.</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_GREETINGS_ATT_FUR_LEADER_KEKKONEN_ 1</Tag>
<English>Wow, you're back already, [CT_NAME]. And people distrust ME just because I like hanging out with the Red Army?</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_WEAKER_KEKKONEN _1</Tag>
<English>[CT_NAME], I'm your most devoted friend in the world. I believe you owe me something for my troubles!</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_EQUAL_KEKKONEN_ 1</Tag>
<English>I'm not as power-hungry as some people say, [CT_NAME]. I just want this little insignificant thing.</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_STRONGER_KEKKONEN_1</Tag>
<English>[CT_NAME], it seems that your country no longer presents a threat to [OUR_CIV_SHORT]. Give me a reason why our friendship shouldn't with an invasion of [CT_CIV_SHORT].</English>
</TEXT>

 

[The Almighty dF]

Richard has a good-looking LH, though.

What do you think about this for Urho Kekkonen?

<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_FIRST_CONTACT_LEADER_KEKKONEN_1</Tag>
<English>Welcome to the [OUR_EMPIRE], [CT_NAME]. My name is [OUR_NAME] and I am willing to be your friend. Just don't get the screwy idea that you're going to get everything you want out of [OUR_CIV_SHORT].</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_REFUSE_TO_TALK_LEADER_KEKKONEN_1</Tag>
<English>Sorry, [CT_NAME], but unless you're my mistress, you're not coming in!</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_NO_PEACE_LEADER_KEKKONEN_1</Tag>
<English>[OUR_CIV_SHORT] may have been your friend, but has and never will be your puppet state, [CT_NAME]!</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_GREETINGS_ATT_FR_LEADER_KEKKONEN_1 </Tag>
<English>Wow, you're back already, [CT_NAME]. Let's go to the sauna and tell some funny stories.</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_GREETINGS_ATT_FUR_LEADER_KEKKONEN_ 1</Tag>
<English>Wow, you're back already, [CT_NAME]. And people distrust ME just because I like hanging out with the Red Army?</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_WEAKER_KEKKONEN _1</Tag>
<English>[CT_NAME], I'm your most devoted friend in the world. I believe you owe me something for my troubles!</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_EQUAL_KEKKONEN_ 1</Tag>
<English>I'm not as power-hungry as some people say, [CT_NAME]. I just want this little insignificant thing.</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_STRONGER_KEKKONEN_1</Tag>
<English>[CT_NAME], it seems that your country no longer presents a threat to [OUR_CIV_SHORT]. Give me a reason why our friendship shouldn't with an invasion of [CT_CIV_SHORT].</English>
</TEXT>

Haha, nice.

And yeah, it's a very nice Richard the Lionheart LH.
Makes me consider making a Crusades scenario... If nobody's made a good one yet.

 

[The Almighty dF]

Also Capo, was going to ask.
You were going to do some touch-ups on the leader personalities, right?

Been learning how to do that lately, so I figured if you want I could go ahead and get started on that.
I think I've got AI behavior down, for the most part. It's just a matter of researching each leader and setting them correctly.

 

[The Capo]

Also Capo, was going to ask.
You were going to do some touch-ups on the leader personalities, right?

Been learning how to do that lately, so I figured if you want I could go ahead and get started on that.
I think I've got AI behavior down, for the most part. It's just a matter of researching each leader and setting them correctly.

That's fine with me. Just try not to go overboard (and make people TOO peaceful, or TOO warlike) and try to keep balance in mind. But that would be fantastic if you could do that for me.

Anyway I am nearly finished with Kamehameha (check out the preview in my LH gallery) and once I get Salmasina textured properly I should have Module Pack III out in a few days from that point.

 

[The Almighty dF]

Just ran across an oddity.
In the main Civ4Leaderheadinfos.xml for the Diplomacy mod, there's a leader known only as Chinese Leader.

Also, what all leaders are getting the axe and which leaders are going to be added? Just so I know who to not work on.

 

[The Capo]

Just ran across an oddity.
In the main Civ4Leaderheadinfos.xml for the Diplomacy mod, there's a leader known only as Chinese Leader.

Also, what all leaders are getting the axe and which leaders are going to be added? Just so I know who to not work on.

Yeah I saw that, its part of the normal Civ coding and its Mao.

Off the top of my head Nelson Mandela and Sixteen Rabbit are the only leaders that are being removed. Cetshwayo and Smoke Jaguar are replacing them.

EDIT: Oh yeah, for the modules (which will be the deluxe edition, so do the others FIRST then do they new civs' leaders) Arpad is being removed and Nagy will replace him, and Balbazer is being removed since I'm adding Xerxes to Persia.

 

[MadmanOfALeader]

The CHINESE_LEADER coding is due to that in most versions, Mao is the second Chinese leader; in the Chinese version of Civ, it's Taizong.

Lemme see if there's something I can make Nagy say...

 

[IgorS]

I thought I'll do diplomacy for Tamerlane, after all, I'm gonna need him as well.
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_FIRST_CONTACT_LEADER_TIMUR_1</Tag>
<English>Good day to you! You are speaking to [OUR_NAME], father of the [OUR_CIV_ADJ] people. I'm currently in the middle of a military campaign, and I really hope your civilization won't stand in my way!</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_REFUSE_TO_TALK_LEADER_TIMUR_1</Tag>
<English>You'd better not disturb me, [CT_NAME], when I rise, the world will tremble!</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_NO_PEACE_LEADER_TIMUR_1</Tag>
<English>I just finished telling my troops a story about our great ancestors and their victories. The only way to stop them now is defeat them in battle. Good luck, my friend!</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_GREETINGS_ATT_FR_LEADER_TIMUR_1 </Tag>
<English>Welcome to my capital, [CT_NAME]. Do you like what I've done with the place?</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_GREETINGS_ATT_FUR_LEADER_TIMUR_ 1</Tag>
<English>Oh, [CT-NAME] is here... Servant, bring us some hot tea, I'll splash it in his face!</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_WEAKER_TIMUR _1</Tag>
<English>Do not think everything in the world belongs to you, [CT_NAME]. We demand you share the followning with us!</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_EQUAL_TIMUR_ 1</Tag>
<English>The glorious [OUR_EMPIRE] demands the following donation to make it even more glorious than it is now!</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_STRONGER_TIMUR_1</Tag>
<English>I have a free prison cell. The following is the price of your freedom. What'll it be?</English>
</TEXT>

 

[MadmanOfALeader]

I had some diplotext for Tamerlane, but I guess now I'll use it for Ogedei Khan.

I'll post my Nagy text first though.

<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_FIRST_CONTACT_LEADER_NAGY_1</Tag>
<English>Greetings, [CT_NAME]! My name is [OUR_NAME]. Welcome to the [OUR_EMPIRE], which is not the mess people expect it to be! Yes, even I'm suprised.</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_REFUSE_TO_TALK_LEADER_NAGY_1</Tag>
<English>You just shut up and don't come back, [CT_NAME]!</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_NO_PEACE_LEADER_NAGY_1</Tag>
<English>Peace? You must be snorting paprika or something, [CT_NAME]. [OUR_CIV_SHORT] is on her own course now!</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_GREETINGS_ATT_FR_LEADER_NAGY_1 </Tag>
<English>Hey, [CT_NAME]. What do you say we test our minds and find out how long it takes us to solve a Rubik's cube?</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_GREETINGS_ATT_FUR_LEADER_NAGY_ 1</Tag>
<English>You dare to bother me, [CT_NAME]. Don't you realize I already have enough problems with the Soviet Bloc?</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_WEAKER_NAGY _1</Tag>
<English>If I don't make the [OUR_CIV_ADJ] people happy they will kill me, [CT_NAME]! Gimme a little something here!</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_EQUAL_NAGY_ 1</Tag>
<English>[OUR_CIV_SHORT] will be grateful for this gift. [CT_CIV_SHORT] will be equally grateful to be alive.</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_STRONGER_NAGY_1</Tag>
<English>Well? Hand this over unless you want to be completely decimated!</English>
</TEXT>

 

[MadmanOfALeader]

Here is the text that I intended to use for Tamerlane, taken from World of Legends, but now I will use it for Ogedei Khan.

<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_FIRST_CONTACT_LEADER_OGEDEI_KHAN</Tag>
<English>Your head would look good on a pole, [CT_NAME], but that will be for another time. I am [OUR_NAME], and as strange as it sounds, desire peace with the [CT_EMPIRE].</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_REFUSE_TO_TALK_LEADER_OGEDEI_KHAN</Tag>
<English>I have an urging to slay you... But perhaps you should leave before I act upon such an urge!</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_NO_PEACE_LEADER_OGEDEI_KHAN</Tag>
<English>Stop the war... Stop the war? STOP THE WAR? STOP THE WAR!?!?!?!?!? ARE YOU INSANE? I WANT MORE BLOOD! I WANT MORE HEADS!</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_GREETINGS_ATT_FR_LEADER_OGEDEI_KHAN</Tag>
<English>Hello, my fellow conqueror, [CT_NAME]! What bloody, ruthless, merciless, totally inhumane and completely psychotic conquests has the [CT_EMPIRE] accomplished lately?</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_GREETINGS_ATT_FUR_LEADER_OGEDEI_KHAN</Tag>
<English>[CT_NAME]... your head would look so good on a pole...</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_WEAKER_OGEDEI_KHAN</Tag>
<English>I would like this. That is all.</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_EQUAL_OGEDEI_KHAN</Tag>
<English>Your head would look good on a pole, but you know what looks better? If I got that.</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_STRONGER_OGEDEI_KHAN</Tag>
<English>Give it, and I will spare you the bloodbath.</English>
</TEXT>

 

[MadmanOfALeader]

More quotes from World of Legends. These are for Narmer of Egypt, but I figured they could be used for Amenhotep.

<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_FIRST_CONTACT_LEADER_AMENHOTEP</Tag>
<English>I am [OUR_NAME], god-king of mortals and ruler of the two lands! Who are you who comes into such rich and fertile lands at this day and hour?</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_REFUSE_TO_TALK_LEADER_AMENHOTEP</Tag>
<English>You have been deemed an unworthy rascal in the world, [CT_NAME]. I do not trust you, and so any discussion we have will be futile.</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_NO_PEACE_LEADER_AMENHOTEP</Tag>
<English>The gods shall not rest until you are finished, [CT_NAME]! Begone!</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_GREETINGS_ATT_FR_LEADER_AMENHOTEP</Tag>
<English>Ah, good day, [CT_NAME], greatest of all mortals! How about a nice game of Senet and a cruise on the Nile, eh?</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_GREETINGS_ATT_FUR_LEADER_AMENHOTEP</Tag>
<English>It is [CT_NAME], he who foolishly enjoys playing with the gods... what is it now?</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_WEAKER_AMENHOTEP</Tag>
<English>Even gods like I need help, sometime, [CT_NAME].</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_EQUAL_AMENHOTEP</Tag>
<English>[OUR_NAME], great pharaoh of the two lands, has a small favor to ask of you, [CT_NAME].</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_STRONGER_AMENHOTEP</Tag>
<English>The influence of the [OUR_EMPIRE] and its ruler, the god-king [OUR_NAME], can be seen in every land in this world! I don't think asking for a little gift from the [CT_CIV_SHORT] will be too much, will it? </English>
</TEXT>

 

[MadmanOfALeader]

What do you think of this for Stambolov?

<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_FIRST_CONTACT_LEADER_STAMBOLOV_1</Tag>1
<English>Welcome, [CT_NAME], to the [OUR_CIV_ADJ] nation! I am [CT_NAME] and I am glad to meet you. May our nations be forever glorious and independent!</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_REFUSE_TO_TALK_LEADER_STAMBOLOV_1</Tag>
<English>I'm sorry, but I believe [OUR_CIV_SHORT] has no time for your shaggy dog stories.</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_NO_PEACE_LEADER_STAMBOLOV_1</Tag>
<English>There shall be no peace. I must defend [OUR_CIV_SHORT] from her enemies!</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_GREETINGS_ATT_FR_LEADER_STAMBOLOV_1 </Tag>
<English>How proud am I to have a brave leader such as me in my palace, [CT_NAME]! What can [OUR_CIV_SHORT] do for the most admired nation of [CT_CIV_SHORT]</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_GREETINGS_ATT_FUR_LEADER_STAMBOLOV_ 1</Tag>
<English>You know, [CT_NAME], I believe the people of [OUR_CIV_SHORT] shall forgive me for everything. You, however, will continue to be despised centuries from now.</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_WEAKER_STAMBOLOV_1</Tag>
<English>Our enemies want to quell the motherland's dreams to be free and glorious. Please help [OUR_CIV_SHORT] in this time of need.</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_EQUAL_STAMBOLOV_ 1</Tag>
<English>If you knew how I treated my enemies, you would be a friend and give this to [OUR_CIV_SHORT].</English>
</TEXT>
<TEXT>
<Tag>AI_DIPLO_DEMAND_TRIBUTE_POWER_STRONGER_STAMBOLOV_1</Tag>
<English>It's boot-licking time! Unless you're willing to do us other favors, of course.</English>
</TEXT>

 

[The Almighty dF]

Just a bit of a progress report:
I've redone the personalities for the following so far:
Bolivar
Boru
Castro
Chavez
Christian IV
Collins
Curtin
Dom Pedro
Dufour
Dusan
Franz Josef
Garibaldi
Gustav
Hidalgo
Kekkonen
Khomeini
Lorenzo
MacKenzie
Mahmoud
Margrete
Marti
Mary
Menzies
Metternich
Michael
Minch
Mobutu
Mussolini
Nimi
Peron
Robert
San Martin
Satur
Sonni Ali
Trudeau
Trung
And Vlad.

For the most part, I avoided extremes. I only used extremes when it came to the religious variables, for the most part (because come on, Khomeini.)
Also wow, Vlad Tepes is a beast. Even before I worked on him. With the new personalities, the two beasts are Vlad and Mobutu. Both are warmongers, but both know exactly who to go for. So they're the kind of guys you really hope don't start up next to some lame AI like Sitting Bull.
I'm curious, did you make Vlad out of Catherine and Genghis?

 

[The Capo]

For the most part, I avoided extremes. I only used extremes when it came to the religious variables, for the most part (because come on, Khomeini.)
Also wow, Vlad Tepes is a beast. Even before I worked on him. With the new personalities, the two beasts are Vlad and Mobutu. Both are warmongers, but both know exactly who to go for. So they're the kind of guys you really hope don't start up next to some lame AI like Sitting Bull.
I'm curious, did you make Vlad out of Catherine and Genghis?

For the most part I utilized personalities for these leaders either from other modules, or from other mods with some slight changes. Or for the leaders that I made myself I combined certain traits and edited where I saw fit. Truth be told a lot of it was quickly (and lazily) done. But I am pretty sure Vlad was one of those personalities I took from someone else. And I assume "Minch" is Ho Chi Minh?

 

[The Capo]

Here are a few other notes and topics of discussion that I think are important;

1) There are some things being planned for this coming weekend, so some of the things I am going to work on, well specifically finishing the Polynesian LHs and Module Pack III are going to be slightly pushed back because the plans require some coordination. If you have been following a number of threads around the Creation and Customization forum you will PROBABLY be able to figure out what I am talking about, if you haven't you'll be pleasantly surprised. Either way, get your Ouzo ready...

2) I am a bit concerned that, with the 3.19 patch being used for the next mod, there are going to be things I planned on doing that will have to be nixed. As an example the plan to use the Dynamic Civ Names modcomp (which I don't think is even updated to 3.17 yet) will probably not be included. There are a bunch of other modcomps that will probably also fall by the wayside because of 3.19, so we'll have to see what happens with that.

3) I just wanted to say this again and make sure this is clear to everyone, because I know you guys have waited a long time and have been a great help to me as I have been working on all of these modules; I can not guarantee the speed at which the first mod and then the deluxe edition is finished. Partially because 3.19 is going to throw me some curveballs (as stated previously), partially because a lot of the art I am going to use has to be waited on, and also because I am doing this entirely from scratch and not combining a bunch of modules (as I did with Diplomacy).

4) I can tell you that the VERY FIRST thing that will be done to the new mod, and perhaps the most time consuming part, is going to be the future era. What I intend on doing is taking the NextWar mod and using that as a base. Then from there learning how to add the new future techs, features, bonuses, promotions, units, art, etc. This is going to take a lot of time, and the planning for it (as far as deciding what techs go where and what techs allow for what units or buildings) is probably going to take a lot of time. I am not really knowlegable about Science Fiction (which I think would be helpful for this part), so I am probably going to need a lot of help as far as planning out what techs to add and what they will grant the player. I also want to make sure the AI knows how to use them properly, so this may take a while.

5) A lot of this has been relatively negative, but on a positive note we have a lot of great Diplotext finished and in the process of being finished by both Madman and Igor. We have fantastic options for flags and colors thanks to Madman, and I am excited to see what TAdF comes up with for the personalities. Also the Deluxe edition shouldn't take very long to create since, for the most part, all of the modules are already finished and plugging them in will be quite easy.

 

[The Almighty dF]

For the most part I utilized personalities for these leaders either from other modules, or from other mods with some slight changes. Or for the leaders that I made myself I combined certain traits and edited where I saw fit. Truth be told a lot of it was quickly (and lazily) done. But I am pretty sure Vlad was one of those personalities I took from someone else. And I assume "Minch" is Ho Chi Minh?

Minch is actually Minh's anarcho-capitalist cousin, but at your request I'll replace him with Minh.

Also, on an amusing note, we almost had Trudeau as a warmonger. I got his and Mussolini's files switched at some point. It's all fixed (though I was tempted to leave Trudeau with a warmonger respect of 1.)

Here's to hoping the move from 3.17 to 3.19 is an easy one, though to be honest I don't even see the point of upgrading to 3.19.