C3C Civilizations?

For new civilizations...

The Middle East is pretty much rounded out, so we'll move on from there.

Europe is pretty much set, though if a colonial scenario is in the works maybe adding the Dutch or Portuguese would be a good fit. Whichever one is chosen, the UU should probably be a naval unit (a replacement for the caravel or a frigate unique from the English UU). Austria is probably the only other European civilization left considering, and would probably have a late-medeival or early-industrial UU.

Adding the Incas and Mayas rounds out the Americas, though adding another Native American civ (maybe the Sioux) might add flavor.

Africa probably could use the most expansion. Adding in civilizations like Ethiopia or Songhai would help in this matter.

As for Asia, probably the most imporant addition would be a Southeast Asia civ like the Siamese. The Khmer (Cambodians) have also been mentioned. Either one would make a good addition.
 
And once again....

Byzanthines! yeah!
Any Latinamerican!...specially Gran Colombia!

A center-african nation, due to location in real-world based scenario.

alternative look to france, russia and england (specially france and russia)
 
Ribannah, Singapore has the number #1 port in the world, and their airport is too.
 
Originally posted by Snoopy
Ribannah, Singapore has the number #1 port in the world, and their airport is too.

Rotterdam is the #1 port in the world.
 
Originally posted by Snoopy
, and their airport is too.

Not by a long shot.

Passengers: #1 Atlanta (11.6M), #13 Amsterdam (5.4M), #21 Singapore (4.7M).

Cargo: #1 Memphis (540MT), #10 Singapore (246MT), #14 Amsterdam (206MT).

Movements: #1 Chicago (146K), #24 Amsterdam (61K), Singapore not in top 30.
 
Originally posted by Ribannah


Cargo: #1 Memphis (540MT), #10 Singapore (246MT), #14 Amsterdam (206MT).


I knew they sold a lot of Elvis memorabilia but I didn't think that it was that much;)
 
I'd love more native american civs. Perhaps the Cherokee. They were one of the "5 civilized tribes" and developed their own alphabet.
 
I'd like to see Poland in the game. Yes, I'm part Polish.....but to give Russia the monopoly of Eastern Europe when there are many groups there....well.

I'd even support the Polish-Lithuanian union that they shared for some time.
 
The Dutch and Portuguese have been confirmed as the new European civs by the GameSpot preview...

Me happy now! The Dutch are in!
 
Originally posted by Mobilize
Mayans - Sci, Rel
Incas - Ind, Exp
Sumer - Rel, Ind
Hatti - Mil, Ind
Nubians - Mil, Com
Thai - Mil, Sci
Israelites -Sci, Exp
Portuguese - Com, Exp

Well, that's my guess anyhow. You must remember, Brasil, Argentina, Mexico, etc are not civilizations, they are countries made up of native (Aztec, Incan, Mayan and Spanish/Portuguese civilizations).

Portugal was originally part of Spain but because of extreme signifigance in our history they can be portraited as a civilization, same as the Americans.

I'm not so sure about the Israelites and the Thai being included, but another Asian civilization would be nice. If not the Israelites or the Thai there will probably be the Polynesians or the Bantu?

Australia, Austria-Hungary, Canada, and whatnot shouldn't be added since they were never really that power or signifigant, except Austria-Hungary because of their involvements in both world wars and the Hapsburg Dynasty which was one of the most powerful dynastys ever.

Last but not least, the Byzantines. The Byzantines were great and all but they were the medieval embodiment of the prior Hellenistic civilizations of Greece, Rome, and the many city-states of western Turkey. They would be a good addition especially since they were rather important in history and greatly influenced Russia, yet they are still a mixture of Greece and Rome. I'd rather like to see the Huns though.

Due to new CIV traits I guess that combos are not real, but I agree with all of it.

PS: Port was part of Spanish crown for 60 years in almost 900 of existence. Besides, any Port consider that kind of statement as... you know. So, please, don't say it again. Thx.
 
Originally posted by Goonie
I would really like to see a Canada. If you want the reasons why a game in the 20th century is pointless without Canada, I will give them to you.

I can give you reasons why a historical game that covers XII, XIII, XIV, XV , XVI , XVII, XVIII and XIX centuries is pointless without Portugal. :)
(Please, don't be angry with me. Just showing my point.)

Originally posted by Sarevok
(just keep hoping, they wont add the byzantines.)

For Sure:
1. Mayans
2. Sumerians
3. Incas
4. Hitties
Probable:
5. Israel
6. Portugal
7. Netherlands
8. Eithiopia
Not likely:
1. Byzantines
2. Canadians
3. Australians
And the countless others...

byzantines were the new romans, they were basically the romans except they lasted 1000 yars longer and were stronger.

Who the hell is going to add the australians and canadians anyway? it would be nice, but it wont happen.

Seconded.

Originally posted by Lynx
I predict Netherlands and Portugal will be in. they kinda need to be.
:)
Originally posted by nalves
Hy Ribannah

Have you ever heard of the tordesilhas treaty,
or the nationality of the pope John XXI, or even who were the firsts civs to explore the world from Europe.

Yes, of course Portugal is just a smal county today, but in terms of history is a "very rich" country - a civilization.

And yes I agree that Holland is and were very great too.:)
Tordesilhas treaty was crucial in world history, but in US they seem to ignore it :(
Originally posted by Ribannah
You forgot to mention that Rotterdam has the world's number one port.

Economics form one of the most essential parts of the game.

However, you can also find Dutch military all over the world on peace missions (which today are IMHO more important than the wars that precede them), The Netherlands house several international courts, lead the EU bank, and excel at both science and diplomacy (they consistently manage to keep friendly relationships with both sides of a conflict).

All of this comes atop the magnificent Dutch history, which I think is already a lot richer than Portugal's.

But nooo ... let's just take a small group of Dutch farmers and promote them to a civilization instead. :rolleyes:
I only forgive you because you are dutch ;)
You newbies have a lot to live to achieve our age and cultural heritage ;)
Originally posted by nalves
not only by the dutch

But my point isn't about Portugal be a great civilization. Portugal was a great civilization for some time. and more important than that with spain they "sail the world".
The first ship to sail around the world was portuguese. The first to arrive India by sea was Portuguese, and in that time was a major discovery .
The Dutch arrive firts to where .... Holland


If you talk in terms of military strenght or comercial strenght, then I agree you you and say GO HOLLAND
Yeah my grandgrandgrand...grandfather achieve to have a wonder of the world but till now it wasn't able to put its country in the game just because our king thought he was crazy and the opportunistic spanish king give him a fleet to persue his madness taht ended up right (to a part of the rest of the crue...) :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by SuperBeaverInc.
Adding the Boers would be silly. They were a bunch of Dutch farmers in South Africa and married a bunch of Germans. That would be like adding Oklahoma :lol: . As for the Portugese/Dutch thing, they would both be good candidates. The Dutch had colonies throughout the world including Indonesia and Nieuw Amsterdam.(Which later was traded for Guyana to the British and became New York City.) By the mid-17th century the Netherlands was the foremost commercial and maritime power of Europe, and Amsterdam was the financial center of the Continent. As for Portugal, they had a large portion of the worlds rubber in Brazil(Until the British stole it and took some to Malaysia). The Portuguese occupied Goa, India, in 1510, and Malacca in 1511, allowing for a monopoly on trade with China and the rest of the Far East. They also started relations with the African nation of Ethiopia.
Port history is a mistery to many...

Indonesia and Nieuw Amsterdam (and some South Africa) was ridiculously small compared to all South American (BIG Brazil), African (too many to be referrenced, but for an example Portugal sominated Slaves commerce in ALL Atlantic coast for decades; in the end of XIX century it still had Green Cape, Sao Tome & Prince Islands, Bissau Guinea, and all rodesia, including Angola Mozambique and the territories between them), and Asian (control of Indian harbors and trades, Ormuz and its Persian trades, Manila harbor, part of Chinese trade, Japan trade with the west and a general control of the Indian ocean that granted gold from Mozambique to Manila passing through the very rich India's spice) from wich Macau and East Timor are the last spoils.

Since the Ceuta conquer in 1415 till the returning of Macau to China, Portugal built one of the biggest ever seen empire on the world, based on very profitable trading (1 to 80 in Indian spices and the even more profitable mining of Brazilian abundant gold in the XVIII and begining (they get independence...) on the XIX) and huge technological advance over all not european CIVs with powerfull NAUs (basically what in CIV3 is M-O-W) and Musquetman on earth, granting sea control and world not-european capital control (we were too few to control all the world we discover, so we just control capitals and enrich from the most profitable business, due to lack of tech-capable opponents)

"They also started relations with the African nation of Ethiopia." > We started with half of the world. Ethiopia is a piece of sand of that discover process we were into. Just refering Ethiopia is weird and seem to have the ignore the fact that we started relations with so many others...

"As for Portugal, they had a large portion of the worlds rubber in Brazil(Until the British stole it and took some to Malaysia)." > Gold was far more important! Brazilian fields and water supplies granted huge exports of sugar, coffee and many other goods. Gold was of course of greater importance. Rubber was important too, but I would remember of others too. I can also assure to anyone rubber trees were not all stolen to Malaysia. They were too many and they still exist in Brazil till this day being a good input to Brazil (foreigner) automobile industries. Malasya didn't become the #1 exporter IIRC.

Why do people think that Port was always a small countrie like it is today? How can so many people ignore the great Empire Portugal was one day?
 
Originally posted by Beanzy
The necessity for the Boers doesn't have to do so much with their achievements (or lack of achievements) it simply has to do with the fact that the game needs more African nations. The Boers are just easy candidates mainly becasue they are fairly well known. As for Portugese/Dutch, sure, it'd be nice to include both, but don't you think Europe is getting a bit crowded? I mean, with Ancient and Modern civilization there, it'll probably be getting hard to cram in a few more.

I don't get that "Europe is too crowded" argument.

1 - Reality
Europe and Middle East were always too crowded through history. That could be a advantage, not the opposite. It's only a way of the game come closer to truth.

2 - More easy scenarios
Adding Port and Dutch will make possible more Euro and American conquests scenarios. In fact this seems to be a strong objective of the present Xp. American conquests will be now really cool. :cooool:

3 - History relevance of CIVs
Other proposed CIVs (and many of the already in...) have not had the impact in history brought by Dutch and Portuguese. If Portugal, Spain and Holland didn't exist, Americas, Africa and Asia would be A LOT different from the way they are today. If France and England hadn't existed also, Americans would be hunting bulls today...

4 - Seafaring being added makes this CIVs a must-have.
Again, Port and Dutch sea empires are crucial in a game that now has that trait.
 
Originally posted by Darkness
The Dutch and Portuguese have been confirmed as the new European civs by the GameSpot preview...

Me happy now! The Dutch are in!

Once more, there has been no confirmation for either. The Netherlands merely exist as part of a WWII Conquest, and the Portuguese are a reference in a Japanese Conquest. Neither constitutes proof.

Firaxis has also confirmed that in the WWII Conquest, there will be flags, not heads, for the Civs (see the Gamespot thread)
 
Assuming the Portugese and Dutch are in there, and we know that the Mayans and Incans are in there - who do you think is left to be added? That still leaves three more Civs to be added.

I'd like some kind of Pacific Island Civ and maybe two more African ones. :)
 
You forgot the Hittites and Sumerians, and probably the Phoenicians. I think that will be all of them.

I was hoping for the Siamese and Polish, myself.
 
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