Can a man be punished for another's crime, a son for his father's?

The old testament also says there that God was fighting a certain person and since he couldn't beat him he took one leg from him and he could fight no more. Simple rule about Christianity: when something is in the old testament and contradicted in the new one, the new one is right.
Then why are Christians so insistant about having our government post the 10 Commandments on government property if they have been contradicted by Christianity itself?
The commandments are important, but some parts are outdated by the new testament. They are not obsolete, but as I said some parts got changed.
God didn't get it right the first time?
The new testament is the basis of Christianity, not the old one. The old one is what the new one evolved from.
I thought the new one was created or at least the result of intelligent design.;)
 
Then why are Christians so insistant about having our government post the 10 Commandments on government property if they have been contradicted by Christianity itself?

God didn't get it right the first time?

I thought the new one was created or at least the result of intelligent design.;)

Humanities ideals and values changed throughout history, so naturally religion had to conform to it. :mischief:
 
Then why are Christians so insistant about having our government post the 10 Commandments on government property if they have been contradicted by Christianity itself?
I don't know. I guess they are seen as a symbol, but I honestly don't know. In fact, this is the first time I've heard about that.

God didn't get it right the first time?

No, it's more like "there was no clear and sudden regulation on the belief in God until Jesus came. Thus, over time, people took it wrong in some areas. Jesus came and cleared things". That's the general idea I believe. :)
 
What sins that was made that Christ was punished?:mischief:
Excuse me? Could you please rephrase? I'm not sure what you just asked.

In some place in the Bible, something like this is mentioned. God said he would punish a person and up to three generations of his descendants. I don't know where it is and I'm not going to look it up.
Exodus 20:5-6 said:
You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Personally, I don't think God was actually saying that He punished the children of those who hated Him, or ignored the faults of those who loved Him. (There were certainly less than a thousand generations between this promise and the Roman destruction of Jerusalem....or the Babylonian destruction of Jerusalem) I think what He was saying here is that He is love, and that His love is eternal when compared to His wrath at sin. I think He was using hyperbole (Which was a well known and used by the ancient Jews and their Rabbi's) to drive home the point that His love was so much greater.

I don't think I'm explaining this right. Was that clear, or shall I try again?

EDIT: On the Ten Commandments, those represent moral law. Those are constant throughout history. The corporeal punishment for breaking moral laws, and rules on hair and dress and the like are social laws, and were specific to that time period and people. God never changed His rules about moral law, but He allowed for differentiation on social laws based on different societies.
 
The old testament also says there that God was fighting a certain person and since he couldn't beat him he took one leg from him and he could fight no more. Simple rule about Christianity: when something is in the old testament and contradicted in the new one, the new one is right. The commandments are important, but some parts are outdated by the new testament. They are not obsolete, but as I said some parts got changed. The new testament is the basis of Christianity, not the old one. The old one is what the new one evolved from. :)
If that is so,then the new one is different than the old one or that the people change in thinking and created new ways to interpret the old one for something entirely new.;)
 
Excuse me? Could you please rephrase? I'm not sure what you just asked.
You said this,didnt you?

In a sense, Christ was punished/ for our sins.
Once again.What are those sins that we have committed that Christ was punished for?
 
On the Ten Commandments, those represent moral law. Those are constant throughout history.
So if you break the moral law by hating God, it is a constant throughout history that God will punish you and your descendants for a few generations?
 
Mormonism specifically rejects the idea of original sin, our Second Article of Faith is "We believe that man will be punished for his own sins, and not for Adam's trangression."

The more I hear about you whacky mormons the more I like you. It seams to be the most sencible christian sect.
 
You said this,didnt you?

Once again.What are those sins that we have committed that Christ was punished for?
Christ's death atones for the sins of all those who accept Him. If I tell a lie, because I am a Christian, Christ's death atones for that lie. Or if I kill, or steal something, or any number of things. Christ's death doesn't atone me from the corporeal punishment for my actions (I could still got to jail for committing a crime, and simply being forgiven by Christ isn't enough to get me out of it) but it does make up for it in the eyes of God.

Why? Do you think you've led a perfect and blameless life, completely without any wrongdoing?

So if you break the moral law by hating God, it is a constant throughout history that God will punish you and your descendants for a few generations?
No. God doesn't punish us for the sins of others.
 
Christ's death atones for the sins of all those who accept Him. If I tell a lie, because I am a Christian, Christ's death atones for that lie. Or if I kill, or steal something, or any number of things. Christ's death doesn't atone me from the corporeal punishment for my actions (I could still got to jail for committing a crime, and simply being forgiven by Christ isn't enough to get me out of it) but it does make up for it in the eyes of God.
So to know guilt of something past deed is to be a true follower of Christ?

Why? Do you think you've led a perfect and blameless life, completely without any wrongdoing?
Not a perfect life but I don't feel guilty of whatever things i have done in the past for me to chatise myself.I find it rediculous to even try to lead a perfect life because it is always inevitable to have series of regrets,no matter if you obsess it or try to make corrections,you will still have regrets of something else.:crazyeye:
 
So to know guilt of something past deed is to be a true follower of Christ?
What? Guilt is not an indicator of being saved.

Not a perfect life but I don't feel guilty of whatever things i have done in the past for me to chatise myself.I find it rediculous to even try to lead a perfect life because it is always inevitable to have series of regrets,no matter if you obsess it or try to make corrections,you will still have regrets of something else.:crazyeye:
If you haven't led a perfect life, then you need to be saved and forgiven by Christ in order to meet God's standards.
 
What? Guilt is not an indicator of being saved.
Why do i need to be saved?It is just regret and then i just move on.On some occasion,i don't feel regrettable at all.


If you haven't led a perfect life, then you need to be saved and forgiven by Christ in order to meet God's standards.
I don't care of some standard of a fiction of some imaginary entity.I am human not some standard of some particualar ideal (God and religion)that was created by man.:lol:
 
Why do i need to be saved?It is just regret and then i just move on.On some occasion,i don't feel regrettable at all.
When you do something wrong, then you deserve to be punished, right? Being saved by Christ get's you out of having to be punished for your sins.
 
When you do something wrong, then you deserve to be punished, right?
Depend on what the wrongs that I have committed.I mean that what wrongs,the moral; or the temporal; or somewhat both?

Being saved by Christ get's you out of having to be punished for your sins.
Out of what punishment?

Unless your saying that Jesus got somekind of "get-out-of-jail" free card as long as I sincerly ask for forgiveness of my wrong-doings in the world for in order to escape eternal damnation whether something my soul goes to after death or some kind of psychosis of guilt-obsession?:crazyeye: :lol:
 
Depend on what the wrongs that I have committed.I mean that what wrongs,the moral; or the temporal; or somewhat both?
Moral wrongs which occur in a corporeal reality.

Out of what punishment?
The just punishment God would give you for your sins.

Unless your saying that Jesus got somekind of "get-out-of-jail" free card as long as I sincerly ask for forgiveness of my wrong-doings in the world for in order to escape eternal damnation whether something my soul goes to after death or some kind of psychosis of guilt-obsession?:crazyeye: :lol:
I'm sorry? Could you please rephrase? That sentence/paragraph didn't make much sense.
 
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