Sims2789
Fool me once...
Originally posted by Sarevok
Certainly not me
don't judge us just on a few idiot Republican Governers/Actors we've "elected." it's really a nice place.
Can you numb skulls explain...
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don't judge us just on a few idiot Republican Governers/Actors we've "elected." it's really a nice place.
Sims2789
Fool me once...
¿Why do so many people not understand my state? 
(but seriously, try to anwser the question)
(but seriously, try to anwser the question)
h4ppy
You sir, pineapple?
I think it's all the nonrepublicans that are screwy there. (then again I'm used to be surronded by Republicans)
Goober
Turning Right ...
Ahh, I love it whem people type the exact same thing I was thinking, I can just quote it. Nicely put, CG!!!
Sims2789
Fool me once...
stupid Californiaphobes.
KaNick
Deity
I don't understand California because I don't care. These big state bullies coming in here and demanding that everyone pay attention to them. When was the last time that we had a debate over Nebraska's unicameralism. Or what about our non-partisan elections. Yeah, that's what I thought, never.
If you want to leave the union, fine by me. Just don't complain when Mexico tries to annex you.
Seriously though, if you want to leave the union feel free IMO just as long as you have 2/3 support. I would like to see a vote on this though, it might be the first time in a long while that there would be more than 3/4 voter turnout (I hope). Just because you are ahead of the rest of the country doesn't mean you have to succeed; just wait for the rest of us to catch up. And stop electing celebrities, you are giving the entire nation a black eye.
If you want to leave the union, fine by me. Just don't complain when Mexico tries to annex you.
Seriously though, if you want to leave the union feel free IMO just as long as you have 2/3 support
. I would like to see a vote on this though, it might be the first time in a long while that there would be more than 3/4 voter turnout (I hope). Just because you are ahead of the rest of the country doesn't mean you have to succeed; just wait for the rest of us to catch up. And stop electing celebrities, you are giving the entire nation a black eye.
It would be easy for California to secede.
All they have to do is get those Hollywood people to make a blockbuster film about how they seceded, and most Americans who go to see it would probably believe it really happened.
There ya go, job done.
All they have to do is get those Hollywood people to make a blockbuster film about how they seceded, and most Americans who go to see it would probably believe it really happened.
There ya go, job done.
It look to me that California and Quebec should made a strategic allience, we share lots of liberal value over the old anglo-saxon conservateurism and religious puritanism.
And guess what, the federal try to implement this non-sens 2/3 majority for a scesesion
We dont live in a democraty, we live in a military-capitalism domination country. As soon as we want to have our self governing country, those in power raise weapon.
And we want to show democraty to middle east
And guess what, the federal try to implement this non-sens 2/3 majority for a scesesion
We dont live in a democraty, we live in a military-capitalism domination country. As soon as we want to have our self governing country, those in power raise weapon.
And we want to show democraty to middle east
jpowers
Emperor
Maybe California, Quebec and Killington, VT can form their own nation and let the rest of North America get on with its business.
Trust me, Davis and Brown have done a lot more damage to California's image than Reagan and Schwarzenegger have.
Double Barrel
Deity
*wipes tears from eyes* heh-heh-heh, go ahead, but you'll have to build your own military, supports your already bloated social system, and have a couple of commodities worth something to export (other than the garbage spewed from Hollywood).
p.s. You'll need that military to defend yourself from a hostile invasion from Mexico, especially after you lose the protection of the mighty U.S.A.! And oh yeah, don't come crawling back to us for federal assistance when you get hit with another massive quake and / or wildfire.
(just in case, my entire post is j/k, so no offense
)"and have a couple of commodities worth something to export (other than the garbage spewed from Hollywood)."
????
What, like wine, for instance? Or fruits & vegatables? Maybe tourism, or Silicon Valley? We're the 8th largest economy IN THE WORLD!! I know you're just joking, but this is just silly.
Seriously, though, if California legalized gambling, prostitution, and/or drugs, their economy would be even LARGER! Require a minimum 5 years compulsory military service for citizenship, open the border with Mexico, and you'd probably be looking at the third or fourth largest army in the world.
As for Hollywood ... You must be nuts. You mean to say you've never enjoyed any Hollywood movie?
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What, like wine, for instance? Or fruits & vegatables? Maybe tourism, or Silicon Valley? We're the 8th largest economy IN THE WORLD!! I know you're just joking, but this is just silly.
Seriously, though, if California legalized gambling, prostitution, and/or drugs, their economy would be even LARGER! Require a minimum 5 years compulsory military service for citizenship, open the border with Mexico, and you'd probably be looking at the third or fourth largest army in the world.
As for Hollywood ... You must be nuts. You mean to say you've never enjoyed any Hollywood movie?
I'm no expert, but I think the day Californians agree to 5 years of mandatory military service is the day this happens:
Oh, and the third or fourth largest army isn't good enough to defend yourself against the inevitable counter-strike from the U.S.
Perfection
The Great Head.
Hey, Killington has damn good reason to succede, Howard Dean!
Shadylookin
master debater
succesion is a stuipd idea for any state. There is no reason too, other than to fulfil the dreams of psycho liberals. Then there is the fact that no state is prepared to assume the duties of an independant nation. let us not forget the invasion that would happen soon after.
as for the issue at hand I have to agree 55% is way too low. sure it the majority, but you have 45% unhappy with the whole thing. mabey they should learn to compromise.
just like all californians
as for the issue at hand I have to agree 55% is way too low. sure it the majority, but you have 45% unhappy with the whole thing. mabey they should learn to compromise.
just like all californians
Originally posted by Shadylookin
succesion is a stuipd idea for any state. There is no reason too, other than to fulfil the dreams of psycho liberals. Then there is the fact that no state is prepared to assume the duties of an independant nation. let us not forget the invasion that would happen soon after.
as for the issue at hand I have to agree 55% is way too low. sure it the majority, but you have 45% unhappy with the whole thing. mabey they should learn to compromise.
just like all californians
You apparently aren't familiar with Alaska's situation, then - they don't even have psycho liberals there, they DO have plenty of oil (while the US Congress is preventing them from drilling into ANWR), and the Feds directly "own" a third of the state or so, giving the local population quite the ax to grind.
Shadylookin
master debater
the feds own everything, really were just renting our land. if you didnt' pay your taxes they would take your house and possesions.
anyone crazy enough to live in alaska has some problems.
they may have plenty of oil, but i doubt they can rasie up enough tax dollars to pay for drilling. I still don't believe alaska can run on it's own, especially with some of the disasters they get.
Free Enterprise
The return stroke.
True, however you will never see this country as a whole be a democracy. Nor would that necessarily be a desirable thing. Although each state is guaranteed a republican form of government however a true democracy in any state probably wont happen.
Faction against faction in action. Ambition against ambition.
If a President vetos legislation it does require a 2/3 majority to overide it. Veto proof majorities are trick to achieve. That is one of the reasons some people support changing to a Parliamentarian system (though many do not). The Founders feared the tyranny and thus tried to prevent it with checks and balances. This was apparently copied into various state governments.
"A republic, by which I mean a government in which the scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect and promises the cure for which we are seeking.
James Madison, letter to William Hunter, March 11, 1790
An elective despotism was not the government we fought for; but one in which the powers of government should be so divided and balanced among the several bodies of magistracy as that no one could transcend their legal limits without being effectually checked and restrained by the others.
James Madison, Federalist No. 58, 1788
Had every Athenian citizen been a Socrates, every Athenian assembly would still have been a mob.
James Madison, Federalist No. 55, February 15, 1788
[D]emocracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.
James Madison, Federalist No. 10, November 23, 1787"
Originally posted by Shadylookin
the feds own everything, really were just renting our land. if you didnt' pay your taxes they would take your house and possesions.
anyone crazy enough to live in alaska has some problems.
they may have plenty of oil, but i doubt they can rasie up enough tax dollars to pay for drilling. I still don't believe alaska can run on it's own, especially with some of the disasters they get.
Tax dollars for drilling? The oil companies will shell out for it just fine on their own, but in any case there's something in Alaska called the Permanent Fund Dividend that works as a sort of reverse tax. With the oil they still have up on the North Slope, they can handle the occasional earthquake a lot better than the statewide Disasterland Disney exhibit does just south of Oregon.
And yeah, I was crazy enough to live in Alaska for four years.
