Can You Swim?

[AdamCrock]

Neo-Manichaean.

Care to explain to me what it is ? Please don't be angry I really do not know.

 

[Patine]

See ? Duality.

Oh, actually, I was confused, as Truthy wasn't actually describing Abrahamic Religions properly followed and observed as per their scriptural statements, but only the bad stereotypes gained by some unhinged, off-the-wall, lacking utter perspective, jumping at shadows, sick, twisted, power-mongering, and no doubt mentally-ill fringe sect leaders who claim to follow said religions, and found radical, violent, and perverse cults and extremist groups. But these are not truly adherent members of Abrahamic Monotheist groups. Torquimada, Loyola, Savanorolla, Koresh, Robertson, Falwell, Paisely, Jeffs, Kahane, bin Laden, and al-Baghdadi are NOT those whom you should be using as guideposts of what Abrahamic Monotheist beliefs and practices are supposed to be, at all...

 

[Timsup2nothin]

No. In the Abrahamic Religions, there is only one soul - but whether the soul strives to please and obey, or be a sinner, or sin and then return to God, or fall from virtue to sin, and seek redemption (Yom Kippur in Judaism, Divine Grace in Christianity, and Ramadan in Islam) through a lifelong struggle is the key. But the soul, spirit, and nature of each mortal is singular. In fact, the Christian concepts of Trinitarianism versus alternatives like Monophysticism, Arianism, and other alternatives was a big source of debate and frentic theological correspondence and various councils and long doctrinal documents and propositions, and early schisms and excommunications, all within the first five or six centuries of Christianity, because so many of the Early Church doctors, scholars, theologians, and prelates could not get their head around the idea of Christ requiring a Divine mechanism to have more than one co-terminous spirit and nature when mortals didn't.

It should be pointed out that there is an inherent contradiction between "seeking redemption" and "divine grace." You either swim via the divine grace provided in God's plan of redemption, or you are just sunk.

See what I did there? Not that this conversation has strayed a truly prodigious distance off the original topic or anything!

 

[Patine]

Care to explain to me what it is ? Please don't be angry I really do not know.

Pretty, much as I said here.

Manichaean also fits the bill, though it came later, evolving out of Zoroastrianism - similar to how Christianity evolved out of Judaism and Buddhism evolved out of Hinduism, but became different religions with similar root ideas. Manichaeanism, as an organized religion and practice, has been dead since the 15th or 16th Century, I believe - but, it's black-and-white, binary, us-and-them, no-middle-grounds, over-simplistic-moral-and-doctrinal viewpoint still has a firm (and counter-productive, deleterious, enstupidating, and even destructive) grip on modern social, cultural, political, economic, and even religious (including religions not actually doctrinally compatible with it's viewpoint - which is every extant religion today, except the tiny Zoroastrian minority), greatly denigrating, sabotaging, and distorting the dialogue today, and the world would be better off without such thinking entirely.

 

[Truthy]

You're baiting me, because you probably know what I'm going to say, as I've used the term here, on these forums, a number of times before, but Neo-Manichaean.

Oh, actually, I was confused, as Truthy wasn't actually describing Abrahamic Religions properly followed and observed as per their scriptural statements, but only the bad stereotypes gained by some unhinged, off-the-wall, lacking utter perspective, jumping at shadows, sick, twisted, power-mongering, and no doubt mentally-ill fringe sect leaders who claim to follow said religions, and found radical, violent, and perverse cults and extremist groups. But these are not truly adherent members of Abrahamic Monotheist groups. Torquimada, Loyola, Savanorolla, Koresh, Robertson, Falwell, Paisely, Jeffs, Kahane, bin Laden, and al-Baghdadi are NOT those whom you should be using as guideposts of what Abrahamic Monotheist beliefs and practices are supposed to be, at all...

@Hygro That’s a drink. I’ll take one with you

 

[Patine]

It should be pointed out that there is an inherent contradiction between "seeking redemption" and "divine grace." You either swim via the divine grace provided in God's plan of redemption, or you are just sunk.

See what I did there? Not that this conversation has strayed a truly prodigious distance off the original topic or anything!

No there isn't. The Grace is given to those actually Repent and know they've sinned. The Grace part just means the month of fasting and austere lifestyle hardship every year the other two Abrahamic Monotheist religions endure is replaced with a different mechanism, if you will.

 

[Patine]

@Hygro That’s a drink. I’ll take one with you

I'm confused as to what this means, but given it's a response to two of my posts, I feel you believe you've won some rhetorical victory you almost certainly haven't, and are claiming pre-mature victory, possibly without even grasping what I'm saying.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

No there isn't. The Grace is given to those actually Repent and know they've sinned. The Grace part just means the month of fasting and austere lifestyle hardship every year the other two Abrahamic Monotheist religions endure is replaced with a different mechanism, if you will.

Or maybe even if you won't. Who are we to say, really?

 

[AdamCrock]

"Cherubim, Seraphim, Yakshi, plese watch over us ...." the names of the "Angels" reminds me of name of the satellites launched in Civ BE movie quote, could they be an actual angels ? what are angels ?"

 

[Truthy]

I'm confused as to what this means, but given it's a response to two of my posts, I feel you believe you've won some rhetorical victory you almost certainly haven't, and are claiming pre-mature victory, possibly without even grasping what I'm saying.

Yessir, I'd say it's going swimmingly

 

[Thorgalaeg]

Speaking of Greeks, lies and religions, while not mine, this pic taken at Vejer, a small town near where i live, is very similar to another one i took some days ago just from the same spot. In this case the sea was made of clouds:

 

[Ferocitus]

But these are not truly adherent members of Abrahamic Monotheist groups. Torquimada, Loyola, Savanorolla, Koresh, Robertson, Falwell, Paisely, Jeffs, Kahane, bin Laden, and al-Baghdadi are NOT those whom you should be using as guideposts of what Abrahamic Monotheist beliefs and practices are supposed to be, at all...

Right on, man. They definitely don't sound like true Scotsmen.

But what about Donald Trump? Nobody reads the Bible more than him, he has unmatched wisdom, and he claims to be the "Chosen One".

 

[AdamCrock]

Vigilo Confido - I had to do this .....

 

[Ferocitus]

I can see a Cylon having a swim there!

 

[Patine]

Right on, man. They definitely don't sound like true Scotsmen.

But what about Donald Trump? Nobody reads the Bible more than him, he has unmatched wisdom, and he claims to be the "Chosen One".

You know, at this point, you seem to have to nothing valid or meaningful to say - you're just attempting provocation, nasty barbs, and sh*tdisturbing, and thus only being a troll now. And I will treat you like a troll. Under the bridge with you, and no goats tonight!

 

[Ferocitus]

You know, at this point, you seem to have to nothing valid or meaningful to say - you're just attempting provocation, nasty barbs, and sh*tdisturbing, and thus only being a troll now. And I will treat you like a troll. Under the bridge with you, and no goats tonight!

Ok, but to stay on topic I'll Australian Crawl my way under the bridge.

 

[AdamCrock]

This one is a much beter han previous I posted

I derives from rebellion , I resist being experiment of other .... Can You kill resistance ?

For those who not know XCOM is eXtra terrestrial COMbat

 

[Zardnaar]

Heatwave. 28 degrees at 10:40am. Prob gonna hit mid 30s in spring in the south.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

X-Com really needed sticky grenades, like in HALO. Those were so cool.

 

[Zardnaar]

Played the old Xcoms and the first of the new.

Liked them was pt 2 good?