Can You Swim?

[Patine]

But what about everything else ???

A case-by-case basis. There were many Greek innovations, but many, many things that were not.

 

[Truthy]

So if I said they invented beards, I could get you dig up evidence there existed Mesopotamian men who did in fact have beards?

 

[Zardnaar]

Patines attention for detail while laudable is funny. The Greek thing I took as a joke.

 

[AdamCrock]

So if I said they invented beards, I could get you dig up evidence there existed Mesopotamian men who did in fact have beards?

TBH how did it got from swimming to beards ? (ninja post) Gilgamesh annoying You ? xD

 

[Truthy]

That carving is a lie

 

[AdamCrock]

That carving is a lie

3:50 - Couldn't find Gilgamesh alone :/

 

[Ferocitus]

Gilgamesh posed with a majestic expression on his face for the sculptor, but then the lion cub squirrel-gripped him.

 

[Patine]

That carving is a lie

"Though shalt not round thy head or mar the corners of thy beard," - Hebrew law that obviously predates the 3rd Millennium BC writing of the script of the Torah, that indicates that Hebrew men had beards, and were obliged to grow them. Also, beards are mentioned in the Mahabharata and other early Vedas.

 

[Truthy]

Hm. Btw what was that ancient Iranian religion, the one with the good vs evil stuff? And what would you call a modern day adherent of that religion?

 

[AdamCrock]

Hm. Btw what was that ancient Iranian religion, the one with the good vs evil stuff? And what would you call a modern day adherent of that religion?

None of the South, Northern nor Central never had beard ... sculptures, persons, never ! It can be attributed to low gene mixing among those Native American groups, while African , Caucasian and Asian so ... mingled with each other and had facial hair . Personally I think the more body hair (beard included), the more mixed genes You have.

edit: It has been proven that even Hatshepsut donned a beard !!

 

[Ferocitus]

"Though shalt not round thy head or mar the corners of thy beard," - Hebrew law that obviously predates the 3rd Millennium BC writing of the script of the Torah, that indicates that Hebrew men had beards, and were obliged to grow them. Also, beards are mentioned in the Mahabharata and other early Vedas.

Earliest photographic evidence of beards.

 

[Truthy]

Damn, didn't know Mesopotamians were so hellbent on lying about beards that they made wax figures of Neanderthals. The Greeks haven't gotten a fair shake, that's for sure. But I do wonder why Gilgy didn't hire Madame Tussaud's to sculpt his pet lion-cub-squirrel

 

[AdamCrock]

Damn, didn't know Mesopotamians were so hellbent on lying about beards that they made wax figures of Neanderthals. The Greeks haven't gotten a fair shake, that's for sure. But I do wonder why Gilgy didn't hire Madame Tussaud's to sculpt his pet lion-cub-squirrel

He was more concerned to get on alien spaceship (immortality quest of his) before it took off form the Ziggurat. Did You know there's a Star Craft phrase spoken by the Zerg which sounds like "Zug Sug" in Summerian/Alien language that means "over" , "we are done" , " terminate the experiment" , The "temple" m literally means "the house of God" which literally was "the house of god" only one day some shmuck happens upon to enter Ziggurat and found it empty... No Gilhamesh , no aliens , no nothing .... "empty temple", than the flood happened ... You know the rest

 

[Zardnaar]

Hm. Btw what was that ancient Iranian religion, the one with the good vs evil stuff? And what would you call a modern day adherent of that religion?

Zoroastrianism? They still exist.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism

 

[Patine]

Hm. Btw what was that ancient Iranian religion, the one with the good vs evil stuff? And what would you call a modern day adherent of that religion?

Manichaean also fits the bill, though it came later, evolving out of Zoroastrianism - similar to how Christianity evolved out of Judaism and Buddhism evolved out of Hinduism, but became different religions with similar root ideas. Manichaeanism, as an organized religion and practice, has been dead since the 15th or 16th Century, I believe - but, it's black-and-white, binary, us-and-them, no-middle-grounds, over-simplistic-moral-and-doctrinal viewpoint still has a firm (and counter-productive, deleterious, enstupidating, and even destructive) grip on modern social, cultural, political, economic, and even religious (including religions not actually doctrinally compatible with it's viewpoint - which is every extant religion today, except the tiny Zoroastrian minority), greatly denigrating, sabotaging, and distorting the dialogue today, and the world would be better off without such thinking entirely.

 

[AdamCrock]

Among other things I am anti-Nitsche, and I do not speak Zarathustrian Although Nitsche was a jerk Zoroastrians are not. The duality spirit of our nature is the basis of all Abrahamic religions I know to date .

 

[Patine]

Among other things I am anti-Nitsche, and I do not speak Zarathustrian Although Nitsche was a jerk Zoroastrians are not. The duality spirit of our nature is the basis of all Abrahamic religions I know to date .

No. In the Abrahamic Religions, there is only one soul - but whether the soul strives to please and obey, or be a sinner, or sin and then return to God, or fall from virtue to sin, and seek redemption (Yom Kippur in Judaism, Divine Grace in Christianity, and Ramadan in Islam) through a lifelong struggle is the key. But the soul, spirit, and nature of each mortal is singular. In fact, the Christian concepts of Trinitarianism versus alternatives like Monophysticism, Arianism, and other alternatives was a big source of debate and frentic theological correspondence and various councils and long doctrinal documents and propositions, and early schisms and excommunications, all within the first five or six centuries of Christianity, because so many of the Early Church doctors, scholars, theologians, and prelates could not get their head around the idea of Christ requiring a Divine mechanism to have more than one co-terminous spirit and nature when mortals didn't.

 

[Truthy]

Manichaean also fits the bill, though it came later, evolving out of Zoroastrianism - similar to how Christianity evolved out of Judaism and Buddhism evolved out of Hinduism, but became different religions with similar root ideas. Manichaeanism, as an organized religion and practice, has been dead since the 15th or 16th Century, I believe - but, it's black-and-white, binary, us-and-them, no-middle-grounds, over-simplistic-moral-and-doctrinal viewpoint still has a firm (and counter-productive, deleterious, enstupidating, and even destructive) grip on modern social, cultural, political, economic, and even religious (including religions not actually doctrinally compatible with it's viewpoint - which is every extant religion today, except the tiny Zoroastrian minority), greatly denigrating, sabotaging, and distorting the dialogue today, and the world would be better off without such thinking entirely.

Oh right, Manichaen. What would you call a person today who adheres to that kind of binary, us-vs-them, good-and-evil attitude?

 

[AdamCrock]

Oh right, Manichaen. What would you call a person today who adheres to that kind of binary, us-vs-them, good-and-evil attitude?

See ? Duality.

 

[Patine]

Oh right, Manichaen. What would you call a person today who adheres to that kind of binary, us-vs-them, good-and-evil attitude?

You're baiting me, because you probably know what I'm going to say, as I've used the term here, on these forums, a number of times before, but Neo-Manichaean.