NM has had many undocumented workers for many years. In my 30 years of living here, it has never been seen as a problem by anyone except by politicians trying to get votes. Most of those efforts to make immigration a big issue have failed.
How big is immigration an issue on people's minds (USA and elsewhere)?
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stfoskey12
Emperor of Foskania
I think it's actually worked out basically fine for America. We don't have large-scale immigrant crime or terrorism or anything like that. I think it helps that in America there is this idea that anyone can become an American. A lot of other countries don't have that, to their detriment, IMO.
That wasn't what was asked, though.
Ordnael
Emperor
Good take.
The thing is since my youth times media propagated the idea (trough movies, series, literature and such) that migrants that go to the US are after the American Dream, they want and are proud to become American. Nowadays probably not so much as we see from the antagonising pro Hamas rallies and such in US campuses.
But I don't think we've had or, at least, haven't had for many decades proud immigrants of becoming EU citizens. Maybe the UK and France might've have had a great influx of immigrants proud of becoming one with their new nation but we don't see that nowadays. Of course, happy to blend in migrants exist and I hope those keep coming but more and more I see angry migrants...in Portugal's case angry Brazilians that think we own them something and openly talk about taking our country for themselves... and then we have middle east, Asian migrants that only come for degraded welfare and care little about native culture, people and values, they want to be themselves and live of natives taxes...we already have Gypsies of our own to take care, we can't take more of this mentality of "the natives are bad and we must live of off them"! Fortunately our African migrants from former Portuguese colonies seem to be more in the happy to blend in kind. We see more of the screw the natives mentalities in younger generations for sure, even early Brazilian migrants don't care much for this new wave of compatriots.
Zardnaar
Deity
You keep stating that's not right. Eve if you're technically right (I have better things to do than fact check forums) it's perception that matters.
If the perception is immigration is a problem for whatever reason true or not (probably exaggerated) and people are voting accordingly you need to take that into account.
Hence why I value socialist ideas for example over ilegal immigrants. They're breaking the law. Doesn't matter if the law is an ass or not. To change it you need power.
So improved BHS I'll value for citizens over immigrants even legal ones.
Reality is NHS or whatever will get worse and not much will get done about immigration one way or another.
There's technically right and perception is reality. Two different things. Left thinks technically right matters. These overly evolved monkeys go with perception is reality. The latter is true with social mores.
If you're going to respond to me, please respond to what I actually wrote. Thanks.
This is the post we were replying to:
The point is that the anti-immigrant (particularly European) people here are seeing how the anti-immigrant people in America are going hard fascist and destroying the system of a country that is built on immigration. People holding anti-immigrant views and being willing to tolerate anti-liberal positions, even to their own personal detriment, is directly causing this. That the perception is wrong is only really icing on the cake.
The "perception" in the US is driven by what conservative talk radio, Fox News and Trump want it to be. The perspective they present is not that of most USians.
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Senethro
Overlord
Parties who think they can dabble in just a little light racism and anti-immigration are bringing about their own conversion and making such views acceptable.
The anti-far right alliances in France/Germany will break ranks and cooperate with them within the next 10 years.
The anti-far right alliances in France/Germany will break ranks and cooperate with them within the next 10 years.
Zardnaar
Deity
stfoskey12
Emperor of Foskania
I think a minority of immigrants are the type to attend pro-Hamas rallies. Most immigrants I interact with tend to be fairly patriotic. In the US there does not seem to be a large unemployed immigrant population, but I'm not enough of an expert to comment on the reasoning behind that. I suppose Portugal is in a strange situation having a former colony with 20x its population, that it presumably wants to have good relations with.
