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I saw Maximum Overdrive and reached the conclusion that we don’t need these truckers.

But really though, what position of authority do they have as big rig drivers to talk about vaccine mandates? No different than you or I, really.

I think they should just shut the truck up and get vaccinated, sheesh.
 
Now that the mayor of Ottawa has declared a State of Emergency, things have have gotten real on the 8th day of the occupation of Canada's Capitol.
https://news.yahoo.com/ottawa-mayor-declares-state-emergency-201924303.html


Can working class truckers get the vaccine mandates overturned?

Or will the power of the government triumph?!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottawa
Honestly, the articles on cbc.ca (our national news broadcaster's website) would have been better sources.

This went beyond a mere protest a long time ago. Arrest the lot of them. Oh, wait - jails are overcrowded. Fine, put them in the Montreal Olympic Stadium where overflow crowds are put.

Oh, it's February and they'd be cold?

Too (censored) bad.

I have NO sympathy for them whatsoever. Supply chain disruptions have meant I'm damn glad I stocked up several weeks ago on as many essential things as possible.

When they're disrupting ordinary citizens, some of them very vulnerable people, from going about their daily routine, this is no longer about principle. It's a paid protest holiday, assuming they get any of that $10 million from the crowdfunding money.

Oh, and if anyone's wondering about Justin, he and a couple of his children are quarantined for testing positive for covid.

The Reformacon leader has just been removed, it will surprise me if Justin lasts until summer... this country is in a mess.
 
If their disruption was something easy to shrug off, there'd be no point in protesting since the gov would have no reason to bother.
Pretty sad that truckers have to stand up; where are the more intellectually inclined advocates of a return to some semblance of society? It's been 2 years now, that's roughly 1/40 of the average lifespan.

It's a bad situation all around and I hope it ends soon, for everyone.
 
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The circus is coming to Brussels too - it usually does :lol:

After final preparations on Monday and Tuesday, the convoy will set off in three waves from across France – with those furthest from Paris setting off on Wednesday, according to an itinerary on the leaflet. All three waves are expected to reach the national capital Friday evening. On Sunday, the convoy is slated to leave and “join our European friends” in Brussels.


“Canada [had] paved the way for us.”

https://emeatribune.com/truckers-in-france-freedom-convoys-gaining-steam-across-europe/
 
I saw Maximum Overdrive and reached the conclusion that we don’t need these truckers.

But really though, what position of authority do they have as big rig drivers to talk about vaccine mandates? No different than you or I, really.

I think they should just shut the truck up and get vaccinated, sheesh.

Everyone has a right to talk about vaccine mandates. Everyone. I would love to hear your rationale to conclude otherwise.

This went beyond a mere protest a long time ago. Arrest the lot of them.

Whoops, by your own standards off to jail with you too then! Hope it's not too cold! (Is this really the way you want your government to run?)

By the way, what makes this go "beyond a mere protest"? It looks very much like protests are handled differently depending on their reason and who they inconvenience.

this is no longer about principle.

It isn't only about principle, even to them.

Supply chain disruptions have meant I'm damn glad I stocked up several weeks ago on as many essential things as possible.

Where were these complaints, during unjustified lockdowns, and disruptions over employees being fired from the mandates? What basis can you have to hold the truckers in disdain, but not the Canadian government? To advocate that very government arrest protesters because their protest is something you disagree with?

Also note that Canada declared the "state of emergency" (which is bogus), then started arresting people hours ahead of the time it kicked in (which, while I'm not familiar with Canadian law in its entirety, sounds illegal). This after the government allegedly has bought out vacant hotel rooms and is now using force to try to put down a protest. I don't get how you can back the clown show that is the Canadian government over the truckers.

It's a paid protest holiday, assuming they get any of that $10 million from the crowdfunding money.

If they do not, the company will get hammered by a lawsuit, and lose. This is the same company that took/still takes donations related to CHAZ/CHOP. They froze the donations once, to confirm the purpose, then re-opened it. Now, they claim the convoy is doing something illegal sufficient to raise to a level worse than CHAZ/CHOP. Not only can the donors sue, the truckers can too. The clowns in Canadian government even briefly tried to take the money or get gofundme to donate it to charity, rather than return the money. The had to walk that one back very fast, because it was objectively fraud. Even mere refunds + refusing to do the transactions invites lawsuits now.
 
Everyone has a right to talk about vaccine mandates. Everyone. I would love to hear your rationale to conclude otherwise. (...)

There are no vaccine mandates in Brussels(or indeed in most of the EU), so we can assume that is just a pretext.

We expect a Gilets Jaunes-type protest here.
 
There are no vaccine mandates in Brussels(or indeed in most of the EU), so we can assume that is just a pretext.

We expect a Gilets Jaunes-type protest here.

One of the funny things is that the actual EU (iirc the parliament) voted that there can be no vaccine mandates in the Eu. And yet two stupid countries have those.
 
Ah Greece too ? Didn't know that....

Not sure about France - I hear reports of holiday resorts in the south demanding proof of recent vaccination, that seems to be a private rather than national "mandate" -

I'd have to look.

Edit; France apparently uses an indirect approach by mandating a vaccination certificate for all sorts of activities...

Most tourists from here would hardly notice since they have such a certificate anyway...

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220116-french-parliament-approves-more-restrictive-vaccine-pass
 
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Whoops, by your own standards off to jail with you too then! Hope it's not too cold! (Is this really the way you want your government to run?)

By the way, what makes this go "beyond a mere protest"? It looks very much like protests are handled differently depending on their reason and who they inconvenience.

It isn't only about principle, even to them.

Where were these complaints, during unjustified lockdowns, and disruptions over employees being fired from the mandates? What basis can you have to hold the truckers in disdain, but not the Canadian government? To advocate that very government arrest protesters because their protest is something you disagree with?

Also note that Canada declared the "state of emergency" (which is bogus), then started arresting people hours ahead of the time it kicked in (which, while I'm not familiar with Canadian law in its entirety, sounds illegal). This after the government allegedly has bought out vacant hotel rooms and is now using force to try to put down a protest. I don't get how you can back the clown show that is the Canadian government over the truckers.



If they do not, the company will get hammered by a lawsuit, and lose. This is the same company that took/still takes donations related to CHAZ/CHOP. They froze the donations once, to confirm the purpose, then re-opened it. Now, they claim the convoy is doing something illegal sufficient to raise to a level worse than CHAZ/CHOP. Not only can the donors sue, the truckers can too. The clowns in Canadian government even briefly tried to take the money or get gofundme to donate it to charity, rather than return the money. The had to walk that one back very fast, because it was objectively fraud. Even mere refunds + refusing to do the transactions invites lawsuits now.
If I'm not mistaken, you are not Canadian. You don't live here. You haven't lived with the political or practical realities of this pandemic from a Canadian perspective, yet here you are, 'SPLAINING it to me as though I have no idea what I'm talking about.

When did I ever engage in disruptive protesting over vaccine mandates? NEVER. I've got my two-and-a-booster and very glad to have them.

Justin Trudeau is extremely patient with protesters, even when they block roads, bridges, other critical infrastructure, and interfere with public safety issues such as emergency vehicles, ensuring deliveries can be made - FFS, if I were among the people there who couldn't get pharmacy deliveries because some Western Canadian Reformacon was preventing the pharmacy driver from getting into my building, that is something that would put my life at risk. To put it this way: Some people are housebound for medical reasons that go beyond the pandemic. Some of these people are diabetic, which means they need insulin delivered. Insulin has to be taken on schedule, and it can't be in conditions where it will freeze. If one of these Western Canadian Reformacon anti-vaxxers are putting someone at this level of risk, yes, they should damn well be arrested.

People have varying reasons for joining this protest. Did you know that there was a GoFundMe campaign set up by a Western separatist party member supposedly to cover the truckers' expenses, and this money has grown to over $10 MILLION? GoFundMe finally got suspicious that just maybe this whole thing might be for the purpose of funneling some of those millions into the coffers of this separatist party, rather than really paying it out to the truckers. So it's a reasonable speculation that some joined for easy money, and the vaccine issues come in a distant second.

You think I support the government wholeheartedly against the truckers? It might be different in your country, but here we are capable of politically walking and chewing more than one flavor of gum at the same time.

What these truckers don't seem to get is that it is POINTLESS to disrupt everything like this unless the American government is in agreement with the Canadian government. Removing the mandate from one country but not both is not going to allow unvaxxed truckers to cross over freely. It's got to be both for them to get what they want.

And since at least some of them must realize that, it seems to me that their reason for joining the convoy isn't to cross the border into the U.S., it's just to do away with the mandate so they can go wherever they already can't go in Canada - restaurants, gyms, theatres...

Source for your claim of arresting people hours before the state of emergency kicked in? It could be anything from misunderstandings of local cops to confusion over time zones. Trudeau thinks the country operates on Eastern Time and forgets that there are 5 other time zones.

I would appreciate links to where you're getting your information. Sorry, but Yahoo isn't good enough. The website where I have an account is CBC.ca.
 
If I'm not mistaken, you are not Canadian. You don't live here. You haven't lived with the political or practical realities of this pandemic from a Canadian perspective, yet here you are, 'SPLAINING it to me as though I have no idea what I'm talking about.

I'm not "splaining" anything. I'm noting an inconsistency in rationale. It's a problem in the states too, to a lesser extent.

When did I ever engage in disruptive protesting over vaccine mandates? NEVER. I've got my two-and-a-booster and very glad to have them.

You just advocated jailing the people involved in the convoy. Your post backs government controls, lockdowns, and mandates that directly led to this situation. Those policy positions have failed on the merits of information we've had for a long time now. Regardless of that, it seems odd that you denounce truckers protesting to the point of advocating jail, yet don't seem to share that position for government officials that put forth lockdowns and mandates, sometimes against charter rights, without meeting scrutiny for the merit of those in court.

Hence, inconsistency in rationale.

Justin Trudeau is extremely patient with protesters, even when they block roads, bridges, other critical infrastructure, and interfere with public safety issues such as emergency vehicles, ensuring deliveries can be made - FFS, if I were among the people there who couldn't get pharmacy deliveries because some Western Canadian Reformacon was preventing the pharmacy driver from getting into my building, that is something that would put my life at risk. To put it this way: Some people are housebound for medical reasons that go beyond the pandemic. Some of these people are diabetic, which means they need insulin delivered. Insulin has to be taken on schedule, and it can't be in conditions where it will freeze. If one of these Western Canadian Reformacon anti-vaxxers are putting someone at this level of risk, yes, they should damn well be arrested.

If the government weren't pushing a medication without any merit for "emergency", this situation does not exist, and those "delivery" people you hold in disdain would be working for you and others, rather than protesting that government's policy.

People have varying reasons for joining this protest. Did you know that there was a GoFundMe campaign set up by a Western separatist party member supposedly to cover the truckers' expenses, and this money has grown to over $10 MILLION?

I am aware of the widespread public support for the convoy despite hostile/dishonest coverage of it, yes. It is up to gofundme to make sure the funds go to their intended recipients.

What these truckers don't seem to get is that it is POINTLESS to disrupt everything like this unless the American government is in agreement with the Canadian government. Removing the mandate from one country but not both is not going to allow unvaxxed truckers to cross over freely.

Not all trucking goes through the US...however Canada's government is more restrictive with its mandates, to my knowledge. Though it probably depends which US state you compare it against, too.

Despite the Biden administrations deliberate/malicious attempt to bypass the constitution (while stating such), there is no federal within the US, so it's more a question of the borders. This movement has started spreading to other countries, so I wouldn't rule out pressure on US government from them either.

And since at least some of them must realize that, it seems to me that their reason for joining the convoy isn't to cross the border into the U.S., it's just to do away with the mandate so they can go wherever they already can't go in Canada - restaurants, gyms, theatres...

I don't see any issue with that either. Canada's got such arbitrary nonsense on where you need papers vs not that it's pretty obvious the entire thing's hogwash. You can't go to the gym or to big box stores, but you can go to smaller box stores selling same things...even if there are more people/square foot in the latter.

Governments need to stop milking the pandemic for power. Their behavior is a farce, and that's why there's so much pushback.

There are no vaccine mandates in Brussels(or indeed in most of the EU), so we can assume that is just a pretext.

No mandates, or no government mandates? I could see workers protesting (more locally) over company mandates, too. But yeah, it's hard to parse a protest over mandates in a region without mandates. Surely they'll at least claim something else?

I would expect more in the countries that have them, especially knowing most of the rest of the EU does not.
 
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No mandates, or no government mandates? I could see workers protesting (more locally) over company mandates, too. But yeah, it's hard to parse a protest over mandates in a region without mandates. Surely they'll at least claim something else?

I would expect more in the countries that have them, especially knowing most of the rest of the EU does not.

Not in Belgium no - the idea was tossed up but was politically blocked, with the situation improved it is unlikely it will ever happen imho.

The EU itself spoken against it, but individual countries can still implement various mandates as Kyriakos points out above,

they can hardly drive their trucks to Greece so it is understandable they come to Brussels - that's why it's there for :D


What's more interesting is how quickly these things spread and how they explicitly mention the Canadian protests, even before they are covered in the main news channels here...
 
I mean, the trucker convoy is only barely, loosely, about vaccine mandates, so it seems like a thorough waste of everyone's time. When you have people on horseback flying "Trump 2024" flags in Ottawa, it becomes rather hard to claim you're "just" about mandates. The same goes for anyone trying to push this rather flimsy argument, too.
 
I'm not "splaining" anything. I'm noting an inconsistency in rationale. It's a problem in the states too, to a lesser extent.
You're 'splaining.

You just advocated jailing the people involved in the convoy. Your post backs government controls, lockdowns, and mandates that directly led to this situation. Those policy positions have failed on the merits of information we've had for a long time now. Regardless of that, it seems odd that you denounce truckers protesting to the point of advocating jail, yet don't seem to share that position for government officials that put forth lockdowns and mandates, sometimes against charter rights, without meeting scrutiny for the merit of those in court.
There are peaceful, non-disruptive ways to protest and there are non-peaceful, disruptive ways to protest. It's the latter that's going on here, to the point where they're basically partying outside people's apartment windows and preventing deliveries and appointments from happening. THAT is what I think merits arrest.

I don't denounce truckers who behave responsibly. When my dad was alive, much of his adult employment WAS as a trucker, in Alberta, BC, Saskatchewan, and the Territories. My dad would not have been part of this convoy. He would have stayed on the job.

Hence, inconsistency in rationale.
There are times when you have to choose which instances of Charter rights violations you're going to direct your efforts at. Right now I'm more concerned with my premier and Minister of Gutting Public Education ramming bible verses down the throats of 6-year-old public school students under the masquerade of "poetry" (thus doing an end run around the part of the Charter that guarantees freedom of/from religion) than I am with people whining about having to show proof they've had a vaccination before entering a possible superspreader site like an arena.

If the government weren't pushing a medication without any merit for "emergency", this situation does not exist, and those "delivery" people you hold in disdain would be working for you and others, rather than protesting that government's policy.
What does this even mean?

You are not a doctor, that I know of. Therefore, I take your dismissal of "without any merit" as having come from Dr. Right-wing Internet, and show me where I expressed disdain or delivery people.

I am aware of the widespread public support for the convoy despite hostile/dishonest coverage of it, yes. It is up to gofundme to make sure the funds go to their intended recipients.
Do you have any clue at all just who the "widespread public support" consists of?

The woman who set it up is part of the Maverick Party, which is a Western separatism party that desperately wants to be taken as seriously as the Bloc is in Quebec, but the truth is that they are only taken seriously by themselves. People with a functioning understanding of geography know that Alberta and Saskatchewan separating from Canada would be ridiculous - neither province has access to any oceans. Try trading with overseas countries without that!

I mean, the trucker convoy is only barely, loosely, about vaccine mandates, so it seems like a thorough waste of everyone's time. When you have people on horseback flying "Trump 2024" flags in Ottawa, it becomes rather hard to claim you're "just" about mandates. The same goes for anyone trying to push this rather flimsy argument, too.
As mentioned before, Trumpism has infested this country.

Who is the fellow on horseback, the statue in the clip there, can't see his head ?
Likely a member of the Maverick Party, which means not to be taken seriously.
 
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