Can't Blame Canada after all

[RedWolf]

Almost immediately after the tragic events of September 11th there was much rhetoric and finger pointing about HOW the terrorists got into the US.

Blame ended up landing on Canada of course. People were told that they had somehow slipped through our porous borders (due to lax canadian security policies) (maybe it made America feel better to be able to say "we had nothing to do with this")

Even our opposition polticians jumped on the bandwagon to critisize the Federal Liberal government and to convince people that tight draconian anti-terrorist legislation was indeed needed. People were shocked and outraged that Canada could be this safe haven for terrorists...

Well I just heard that the US Justice Department has announced that all 19 terrorists entered the country with VALID Visas... Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you get Visa's approved the immigration department of the country you wish to actually visit? So apparently it wasn't the fault of the bleeding heart liberals to your North after all.

I hope now that all the people that due to political manipulation and propoganda, jumped "on the bandwagon" can now just get the hell off. (I'm talking about Americans and Canadians alike)

Leson learned: When politicians use an event or idea to whip people into a frenzy - and the results end up benefiting them in some way - THINK FOR YOURSELF and don't just SWALLOW THE LIE.

 

[Shaolin]

In December of 1999 a terrorist crossed the Canadian border into the state of Washington with over 40lbs. of explosives meant for LAX, he was only caught after a local police officer said,"Hello" and he ran. I believe his name was Ahmed Rassam, the other guys from Washington on this site will probably be able to verify that. I'm not blaming Canadians, but it just shows how easily it can happen. Now they're are cracking down on the Mexican border, trying to prevent terrorists sneaking across with illegal immigrants.

 

[scorch]

you are kidding right? can someone please send me a link to an article saying this ****?


god, im getting really pissed off, i hate that.

2 messages that are broadcasted out from america:

1.) communism is bad, because there is not freedom and everything is censored
2.) it wasn't our fault


notice how anything that might remotly diss america is not played on CNN? has CNN ever suggested that it was lax american security, that maybe the FBI and CIA weren't working up to scratch that day? no! thats called censorship.

 

[jiml_63]

Then stop watching CNN...their reporting is brutal.
Try the Fox news channel (if it is available to you). It ismore balanced in its news coverage and always has opposing view points on all subjects.

 

[amadeus]

Originally posted by jiml_63
Then stop watching CNN...their reporting is brutal.
Try the Fox news channel (if it is available to you). It ismore balanced in its news coverage and always has opposing view points on all subjects.

Huzzah! Someone else watches FOX News too

As a matter of fact, I haven't watched CNN for two years -- the same length of time I've had FOX News.

 

[CornMaster]

Wait a minute.

When I flew down from Canada, I had to cross through AMERICAN security in Toronto. When I came BACK to Canada, I passed though CANADIAN security. I don't know if the road checkpoints work the same way, but if people are blaming the security, then it's American security that was at fault. (Of course I realize that this was not the case, just an FYI.)

Actually I plan to drive to Canada next year and would be interested about any info someone could give me about the checkpoints.

And this is a fact, American security personal are VERY unplesant in Toronto. Expecally if your Canadian. They give you the runaround, want to know everything about your life, where your going, what you plan to do. Truely upleasant. And I've done that twice. Of course coming back to Canada, being Canadian was a breeze. But what would I expect.

And believe it or not I had the SAME attendant at checkpoint when I went in 1997 and 2000.

 

[RedWolf]

Originally posted by Shaolin
In December of 1999 a terrorist crossed the Canadian border into the state of Washington with over 40lbs. of explosives meant for LAX, he was only caught after a local police officer said,"Hello" and he ran. I believe his name was Ahmed Rassam, the other guys from Washington on this site will probably be able to verify that. I'm not blaming Canadians, but it just shows how easily it can happen. Now they're are cracking down on the Mexican border, trying to prevent terrorists sneaking across with illegal immigrants.

This is irrelevant to september 11th. My beef is with media/politicians/average joes that blame canada for the 19 terrorists that smashed planes into buildings.

When in reality it had nothing to do with us or our security.

 

[RedWolf]

Originally posted by scorch
you are kidding right? can someone please send me a link to an article saying this ****?

I don't have an online source to prove this. But Thursday evening I watched it scroll across the bottom of the screen on CNN.

You'll have to trust me on this one.

 

[Shaolin]

Originally posted by RedWolf


This is irrelevant to september 11th. My beef is with media/politicians/average joes that blame canada for the 19 terrorists that smashed planes into buildings.

When in reality it had nothing to do with us or our security.

It has everything to do with september 11th, Rassam is connected with Bin Laden and he didn't enter the US with an American visa, he entered through Canada. The only thing the say about the Canadian border is that it's security needs to be beefed up. There has been more criticism on the Mexican border than the Canadian border. I haven't heard anyone blame Canada for the Septmeber 11th terrorists getting into the country, I'll that I've heard is them obtaining student visas from American Embassies and entering the country that way. All the criticism has been on how easy it is to get a visa and how Arab's here on those visas are staying past there alloted time. You're just making something out of nothing. Quit being so defensive.

 

[Shaolin]

Originally posted by jiml_63
Then stop watching CNN...their reporting is brutal.
Try the Fox news channel (if it is available to you). It ismore balanced in its news coverage and always has opposing view points on all subjects.

I agree, but Fox News is still to conservative for me. I can watch the internation stories, but I have to change the channel when they start talking about Bush and how great he is.

 

[Cunobelin Of Hippo]

Originally posted by Shaolin
In December of 1999 a terrorist crossed the Canadian border into the state of Washington with over 40lbs. of explosives meant for LAX, he was only caught after a local police officer said,"Hello" and he ran. I believe his name was Ahmed Rassam, the other guys from Washington on this site will probably be able to verify that. I'm not blaming Canadians, but it just shows how easily it can happen. Now they're are cracking down on the Mexican border, trying to prevent terrorists sneaking across with illegal immigrants.

Rassam never got into the States He was stopped at the border in Victoria when attempting to board a ferry bound for Washington State. The guard who stopped him explained simply "...he sounded nervous."

 

[RedWolf]

Originally posted by Shaolin

It has everything to do with september 11th, Rassam is connected with Bin Laden and he didn't enter the US with an American visa, he entered through Canada. The only thing the say about the Canadian border is that it's security needs to be beefed up. There has been more criticism on the Mexican border than the Canadian border. I haven't heard anyone blame Canada for the Septmeber 11th terrorists getting into the country, I'll that I've heard is them obtaining student visas from American Embassies and entering the country that way. All the criticism has been on how easy it is to get a visa and how Arab's here on those visas are staying past there alloted time. You're just making something out of nothing. Quit being so defensive.

I'm not being defensive. Ask any Canadian on here. Fingers were pointed at us. It's not our fault if the US gives VISA's to terrorists... and like Corn said... to get into the states you pass through AMERICAN customs... not canadian.

If america the superpower with it's massive military/intelligence infrastructure can't figure out which foreigners are subversive radicals than how you expect us to do so?

 

[amadeus]

Canada does share responsibility, though -- it isn't just the problem of the United States.

 

[RedWolf]

Originally posted by rmsharpe
Canada does share responsibility, though -- it isn't just the problem of the United States.

How so? I tend to disagree.

 

[CornMaster]

Originally posted by RedWolf


How so? I tend to disagree.

I also disagree. How can Canada be responsible for an attack on the US, from a terriost group? None of the terriosts lived or passed through Canada. All (or most) were/are there on student visas.

I agree that now the US should tighten security, but increased security creates paranoia and decreases freedom. Things that all people should stay away from.

 

[amadeus]

Originally posted by CornMaster


I also disagree. How can Canada be responsible for an attack on the US, from a terriost group? None of the terriosts lived or passed through Canada. All (or most) were/are there on student visas.

I agree that now the US should tighten security, but increased security creates paranoia and decreases freedom. Things that all people should stay away from.

Just a few things I need to point out.

First, I said Canada has a responsibility to protect its own borders from terrorist entry. I didn't blame Canada, which is a completely different subject.

Secondly, the Sky Marshall program, for example, does not at all limit freedom. And if it requires me to forefit my so-called freedom to yell - "hands in the air, everyone! I want access to the cockpit!", that's fine by me.

 

[sonorakitch]

Actually, according to reports I have heard, six out of the nineteen hijackers were here illegaly...unless new statements have come forth over the past 40 hours or so. Also, one potential hijacker was not admitted in the U.S.--I guess he was supposed to be the leader of the flight that crashed in Pennyslvania.

Canada does have a responsiblity to protect its borders too, but blame is squarely on the United States in this matter. Our politically correct world will not protect its borders for fear of discriminating or upsetting anybody. With this opportunity, we really should throw our National Guard on the U.S.-Mexico border and rethink the ease of travel between Canada and the U.S. Of course, the lack of fortifications on our northern borders are wonderful and admirable, but more customs agents and greater intelligence would certainly help this issue. I am just tired of many in Washington (including our President) of turning a blind eye on illegal immigration and the issuance of student visas. It is time we begin to police our own borders with equal enthusiasm for policing others across the world.

~Chris

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

[bubba mode]We done' mind those A-rabs comming in from Cannada, its them stanking canuck wetbacks who are clogging our economy with pinko deadwood. Hell, thar even sending newfies down he-are, con-sarn it!.[/bubba mode]

 

[amadeus]

[bubba]...and where in the hell is my black book? [/bubba]

 

[H Tower]

doesn't the BBC broadcast everywhere BUT america? I kinda wish that i could watch, of course US news is "monitored" by the government.