Capto Iugulum: Building the 20th Century

Military Policy: Emphasise Army

Economic Policy: Emphasise Industrial Growth

Diplomatic Policy: Balance of Power


Possible wars of aggression:

1. A cooperative attack with the Dutch on the Polish colonial empire, especially Polish China. This will not happen before 1865 or so, and should not happen when at war with anyone else, and should happen preferably when the Japanese are otherwise occupied in Kamchatka or the Zunghar Khanate. After all, seeing as we are the attackers, we get to choose when the war happens, and so we will choose a good moment.

2. A war with Languedoc if the situation is favourable (i.e. only if things pan out as listed below)


Specific policies:

1. Keep on reducing secret police expenditure gradually by 1EP a turn until they no longer exist.

2. Encourage the development of a specific Burgundian national identity, based on the heritage of Charlemagne, and encourage a sort of Unionist art. Create an Academie Burgundienne in Dijon to encourage biligualism, Burgundian unionist art, and a national identity that is proud that it is both French and German at the same time. Also carry out other Burgundian culture projects.

3. Rapprochement with the Dutch is our most important foreign policy. Our cooperation on this point will cover several elements:

- we will make a point of cooperating with them against the Polish,

- we will look for support in the Dutch Republic if we ever support Orleanist Republicans, because they are Republicans and a joint endeavour of this sort in Republicans' favour will endear us to the Dutch public,

- we will cooperate militarily with them, buying some Dutch ships

- and receiving their military organisation (boosting our army enormously in the process). This will be the very first and highest item of priority on our agenda in the BT, and was what I was just about to do, pretty much, when the NES halted.

- we will allow them to recruit troops in the Rhineland from the Germans there to conserve their manpower reserves.

- we will (whenever is convenient) sign an explicit defensive alliance with them (probably in the 1860s some time).

- We will also try to gradually build relations with Hanover, with the aim, if we so desire, of being able to make an alliance with them too shortly after 1900 if we want.

4. Most importantly, we are forming a Franco-Burgundian Confederation consisting initially of Paris-Burgundy and Normandy - i.e. a merger of our nations into a single nation. This will be listed as a single nation. It will come into being about twenty years into the BT, once the free trade agreements are coming very near to completion, and it will have a single Parliament with authority over foreign policy. Any two kings belonging to the Parliament can veto any measure together. Seats in the Parliament will be allocated both on the basis of wealth and on the basis of population. All French states are allowed to join on this basis, but while slight and temporary concessions may be made to new members, there can be no Austria-Prussia relationship with Languedoc; no-one will be allowed seats in Parliament or veto powers significantly out of kilter with their economic strength or population. The most obvious candidates apart from Normandy are Dauphiné and Poitou. Piedmont will join if Dauphiné does (unless Dauphiné won't join if Piedmont does, in which case Piedmont can just stay away and remain a sort of puppet state). Any states that join the Confederation will also be allowed to trade freely in China, etc. just like Parisian and Burgundian merchants, creating a significant incentive for countries to join.

5. By the end of the BT, I want as much as possible of the French Colonial Society to belong directly to the Confederate government, through the admission of the participating states into the Confederacy. At some point, the whole thing will essentially be appended to the Confederate government.

6. As for Piedmont, the King should be a pliable scion of the royal house who is fully briefed on everything and who knows what he's going to have to do and is willing to do it (i.e. join and support our position in the projected Franco-Burgundian Confederacy). The most likely system is one where the King of Piedmont is always the King's brother, or the heir apparent, or something. A representative assembly is to be formed, but with very limited power, and only parties that already exist as of 1851 in Burgundy and that are legal according to Burgundian electoral law will be allowed to field candidates in Piedmont. This means that all Piedmontese candidates will have to register and meet the entry requirements for a normal Burgundian party. This will mean, that rather than having a free choice, the Piedmontese (although they will have Italian candidates) will have a choice between Burgundian parties, e.g. the Septembrists and their conservative rivals. By this trick, we will give representation but make extremism and Italian nationalism positions that cannot be represented in the Piedmontese representative assembly, as Burgundian parties are not allowed to support regionalism. Tariffs will remain up along the Piedmont-Burgundy border unless Piedmont gets included into the Confederacy as discussed below.

7. As for Switzerland, when it is annexed it will receive the right to elect MPs to Parliament on the same basis as any other area of the country, and the German speakers there will have equal rights with everyone else, just as the rest of the Burgundian Germans do. If any important Swiss show any particular loyalty, peers will be created. Military rule in Switzerland will continue if necessary, but no longer than necessary; at any rate important strategic locations and passes should be firmly guarded, and an eye should be kept out for problems.

8. Continue liberal education of princes, liberal reforms as necessary to maintain stability. Hold elections whenever at peace and Parliament has lasted at least for years. Regular Parliaments may be adopted later on if convenient.

Polish War - War Aims

The Netherlands and the Kingdoms of Paris-Burgundy will be waging a war against Poland during the BT with the following war aims.

The Netherlands - The Polish Indian Ocean Islands and The Polish Korean Port will be turned over in entirety to the Dutch Republic.

The Kingdoms of Paris-Burgundy - Polish Gabon (Stanislavia) will be turned over to The Kingdoms of Paris-Burgundy

Equal Split - The Polish Chinese concession will be equally split between the Republic of the Netherlands and The Kingdoms of Paris-Burgundy

To Britain - Since, neither The Netherlands and The Kingdoms of Paris-Burgundy want control of Polish Guinea, the Polish colony will be turned over to the British

Languedoc War - Conditions

1. Orleans must rebel first. We will covertly make sure (as we have been) with appropriate *secret* financing that if they do rebel they will do it properly, and, with any luck, they will rebel, and do it successfully.

2. We must have, in the war, initial control of Orleans. If the revolt doesn't manage to start with to seize control of Orleans' territory or at least the vast majority of it for our army to defend, then we're not going to war over it.

3. Orleans (presumably run by Republicans) must be willing to join our Confederacy as a member like any other, providing Parliament representatives, etc.

4. There must not be any obvious reason why we should not intervene, e.g. being attacked by someone else in a war that we can't drop to help Orleans, or Orleans rebelling in a half-baked fashion, or the entire place being completely awash with dozens of Spaniard brigades, or something.

5. The war must not happen before we are far enough into the BT and into our rapprochement with the Dutch that we have their army organisation, i.e. not within the first few years of the BT.

If these conditions aren't met - and they're not particularly likely to be met - there is to be no war with Languedoc at all.

Languedoc War - Orders

1. Appeal for military reinforcement to the Dutch (who have promised it), to the Austrians (who have also promised it), to Piedmont (who will give it because they are a puppet state), and to Milan, Genoa, Naples, Bavaria, and the Pope, who may or may not help us as they like. But this coalition building will not slow us down in the absurd way it did last time we intervened in Orleans. We will help Orleans as soon as they revolt in any numbers, and we will help them with almost our entire army, without waiting for the foreign troops to arrive.

2. Do not move out of Orleans's former territory. We will simply admit Orleans to the Confederacy, entrench, and defend it against all comers. In moving into Orleans, we hope that we will not face determined Languedoc opposition because the rebels will hopefully have driven out most of their troops already. There will be no attack into the Languedoc interior or into Provence and we will make it perfectly clear that we have no intention to do any such thing. We will be happy to make any reasonable peace with Languedoc that lets the Confederacy keep Orleans.

3. If the rebellion in Orleans causes a coup in Orleans proper, then so much the better. We will recognise and negotiate with the new regime.

4. If the rebellion in Orleans causes a Provencal revolt, then that can join the confederacy too, unless we can get a cheap peace by letting Languedoc keep it, in which case we'll save ourselves the trouble of an enormous war.

Languedoc War - War Aims

To secure Orleans. Nothing else is important as a war aim and therefore I hope our war - while containing support from the Dutch and the Austrians and maybe some Italians and/or Bavarians - will nevertheless be limited in its nature.

Secondarily, the war, I hope, will lead to Poitou, Dauphiné and maybe Piedmont joining the Confederacy.

A quick victory and a moderate peace. If all goes pearshaped, evacuate Orleans under terms in preference to being driven out and made to accept worse terms: i.e. if we start losing, cut our losses and get a status quo ante bellum peace.


Appendices and later edits:

1. We will take suitable action to prevent any irritatingly early war over Orleans disproportionately affecting the Norman economy, particularly by signing more commercial treaties and import deals with the Normans if necessary to ensure that it actually benefits them.

2. Build the Paris-Munich-Vienna railway we said we were going to build with Austrian cooperation (provided the Austrians are willing).

3. When Sardinia attacks Piedmont, defend it, reinforce it as necessary and as possible, and call on Genoa, Milan and especially the Pope to help solve this threat to the balance of power in Italy.
 
Long time lurker here, throwing his hat into the ring as ether Brandenburg or Siam.
 
Flanders

Military:
Emphasize Economy over Military Development
Keep military modern, but focus entirely on defense.

Economy:
Emphasize Industrial Growth
Specifically arms, railroad, and coal industries. Focus on arms exports, since we won't be needing many. Continue to push the Flemish Standard Gauge across Europe, and even into Asia and Africa. Encourage international trade, building world-class ports in Ghent, Bruges, and Calais. Make sure the coal industry remains owned by Flemings. Coal is our primary resource export, the thing we have to exchange for other raw materials, but we must also keep enough to increase our own industrial output. Also put heavy funding into education, from primary through university level, attempting to create a world-renowned system.

Diplomacy:
Isolationism
Focus on acquiring continent-wide recognition of full neutrality. Work to build closer cultural and economic ties with Britain and the Netherlands, our natural friends. Completely avoid military entanglements, but encourage international trade, building world-class ports in Ghent, Bruges, and Calais, emphasizing Ghent in particular as a center of world trade. Maintain independence and territorial integrity at all costs. Use neutrality to become a center of negotiation and the location of peace conferences in the years to come.

On the domestic front build Flemish national feeling and liberalize at a reasonable pace, doing what is needed in order to preserve the monarchy.


I shouldn't need any offensive wars.
 
Franco-Burgundian Confederation is, and will be accepted, 100% of the time if offered during peace. Normandy will intervene in support of Paris-Burgundy and Orleans if Orleans revolts and will follow Paris-Burgundy's lead in that matter. THIS SHOULD HAPPEN 99.99999999999999% of the time.

Spoiler Open only if war occurs before 1860 :
The only uneasiness would occur if Languedoc and Paris-Burgundy fights before 1860, before most of the lowered-tariff benefits really starts hitting the Norman economy- this most likely would NOT happen, but I'm just rping how my Nation, not myself, would see it. Remember, Normandy jumped in both Languedoc's/Spains, Britain/Netherlands, and Paris-Burgundy's boats at various times, but I am sure that the economic benefits after Railroad Ralley with the lowered tariff agreement would assure the formation of the confederation.
 
Yeah, I'm glad about everyone choosing to focus only on industry. It'll devalue the whole system for everyone through surpluses, making it FAR more fun for me when all of you wind up solely dependent on the few states that actually have any raw resources remaining internally.
 
This is to state that I totally understand that joining the Confederation will forfeit my independence. Normandy's balance of power politics was fun to play, but now I think I've gotton a hang of things and I wish for more later, especially since the rise of Languedoc (still with Spain's friendship) meant that Normandy has to tilt very far to balance the pie, indeed.

I'll be ready to accept recomendations for the next iteration.
 
I can't really give any recommendations until I actually know what the nation list is going to look like for the upcoming NES.
 
# Polish War - We are going to invade the various Polish colonies in collaboration with our Parisian-Burgundian friends to the south. The war goals will be shown below.

Oh, yeah, great ally you turned out to be. This is the thanks I get for sending you troops to help you out fighting the liberals? Or helping you guys in China? Or sending troops to help you fight the Italians?

I got one part of China for the three wars I've aided you, and now you're ganging up on me with someone who until recently wasn't the greatest neighbor. This is fantastic.
 
Terrance: Cool, thanks for clearing that up :) and sorry for repeating myself, it just seemed a bit vague to me.

Gamez: No, you can't preferentially trade with Piedmont. They're my puppet state. :p

Double A: Matters of state. Nothing personal. Sorry!
 
@ Double A

I got betrayed worse in FFHii. Now man up and take it, maybe make some coalitions of your own or something.
 
No, it is personal. Poland helped you three times and got rewarded once. In return, you are taking every single colony it has away, because there is no way in hell Poland can hold on to its colonies without its allies, which up until recently, included you.

Don't tell me to "man up and take it." This is a random invasion. Your casus belli is "for teh lulz," and I can't do anything to stop it because Sweden will choose you over me because I have a weaker economy and military. I do not enjoy being screwed over for literally no goddamn reason. I can't even hope for Spain because of the 5 or so PMs I've sent Milarqui over the entire game, he hasn't graced me with a single response.

The best, the literal best, I can hope for is the Pope excommunicating you.
 
I think people editing their orders is incredibly unfair and it shouldn't be allowed.
 
Don't back Orleans, that's what they want.
 
I think people editing their orders is incredibly unfair and it shouldn't be allowed.

And I was supposed to know one of my allies was going to backstab me how?

Jesus christ, you two are worse than the Civ V AI.
 
I think people editing their orders is incredibly unfair and it shouldn't be allowed.
I just found out about this step is run so I'm making my orders right now. This is how I normally make my orders except I normally have them finished before I send them...
 
@ Brittany, Britain and Myself

Let's lower the Tariffs in the Channel and extend our friendship across the meager strait!

Does this mean that we're allowed to conduct diplo in this thread? I'd like to be able to do that, since having just taken control of my nation there could be a few agreements I'd like to sort out.
 
I am actually fully supporting people altering their orders and here's why:

1. Minds can be changed. If you see someone getting ready to try to smash you, you can try to talk them out of it, or find an ally to definitely back you.

2. Because people are encouraged to think about and change domestic orders, such as Milarqui is working upon for his domestic and foreign orders.


@Double A: Unfortunately, the lack of a causi belli is no reason to block a war. As we all know, causes for war can be manufactured fairly easily. Yes, they're vile ungrateful betrayers, but pretty much everyone in NESing betrays each other at some point. IF you lose the BT war, which admittedly is fairly well weighted against you, you still have the choice to press on, build a massive army and march to Paris on foot, leaving a burning trail of rubble in your path. A proper quote to paraphrase from Raiders of the Lost Ark: "You chose the wrong friends Double A, and this time it will cost you." Of course by the end of that movie, the vile betrayer got his face melted off, so the metaphor eventually falls apart, much like this rambling paragraph. Short summary: Yeah, betrayal sucks, carry on, and get your vengeance.


EDIT: Yes, diplomatic agreements CAN be made in this thread at this point.
 
I'm not saying it should be blocked, I'm saying they're ungrateful jerks who are betraying me for fairly little personal gain when I've been more than content to help them after our alliances were more or less formalized.

But now I can hope for a face melting, that's definitely something to look forward to.
 
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