capturing airplanes? and airlifting arty

[psweetman1590]

Yes, the Iowas are in reserve. I think they're the last battleships that are in even semi-operation status in the world.

About the attack from the Med Sea... I'm pretty sure that would be missles only. I mean, depending on where in Iraq they were aiming, that would be well over the accurate range (or absolute range) of the guns.

Addit: Ahh, guess I was wrong. That wiki article says they were taken out last year.

In 1996, the National Defense Authorization Act led Iowa and Missouri to be struck from the Naval Vessel Register. Missouri was donated to the Missouri Memorial Association of Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, for use as a museum ship. Iowa was set to be donated with Missouri, but was reinstated to the Naval Vessel Register after the Strom Thurmond National Defense Authorization Act of 1999 allowed New Jersey to be donated as a museum ship.[11] The last two Iowa-class battleships were removed from the mothball fleet in 2006, and are currently awaiting transfer for use as museum ships.[10][12]

 

[Sir_Lancelot]

In the Middle East, they were not only used in operation Desert Storm. So the gun shelling could be other land targets in other conflicts. New Jersey fired her "16 guns at targets in Lebanon and Syria.

Too bad the congress wouldn't keep the two last ships. That amount of conventional firepower is unmatched by any modern ships.




The Soviet Union developed some serious anti-ship missiles. One of them, named by NATO as "SS-N-19 Shipwreck" (long-range anti-ship missile developed in the 70'ies) could be armed with a nuclear warhead.

Yes nukes against ships! This is what you want Aceman, not a puny sniper!

 

[psweetman1590]

Yes nukes against ships! This is what you want Aceman, not a puny sniper!

Oh yeah? Well the Iowas didn't even need a missle. They could get the nuke to the enemy via the 16 inch main guns!

 

[Aceman101]

Obviously, you know not how to fight a proper war with prisoners, and ethics of combat and whatnot. Stalin would have loved to have you. Unfortunately, most countries these days would fire you, and you'd be tried as a war criminal once the war was over. Even the Nazis rescued prisoners from ships they sunk. Your assertion that the snipers would ensure that not a single man would reach the shore is highly unrealistic. Not because they couldn't do that (you're perfectly right that they wouldn't have much of a problem in physically doing so), but because that sort of thing isn't done by respectable people serving a respectable country.


Beg your pardon, that's just wrong. I can't even think of how to refute this logically without spending a page and a half to explain how things work, but everything you said here is just wrong.

I know . The reason why I mentioned that is because, They are carrying guns on them. You might be saying "Well why didn't they shoot from boat" That was scuttled. And you can't shoot a gun from the sea, you would need to be touching land. Ok you can shoot a gun from sea but let's just say "The people with guns were killed, the people without firearms were held as prisoners.

In no case was I trying to sound evil, it's just, you can't let people shoot you without fighting back. But yes the people without firearms were kept as prisonors. I was assuming all people on board had a gun which i didn't write out properly but now it seems there wouldn't be enough guns for the whole crew. So let's just say THE UNARMED PEOPLE WERE HELD AS PRISONERS!!!

Okay, so here's what it boils down to....
Either the ship is advanced enough to harm your ships while you capture it... in this case you destroy it.
Or, the ship is not advanced enough to harm your ships. In this case, you capture it.

FINE FINE FINE FINE!!!! I give up . But it was fun.

Btw. I wasn't saying american laborers are "Cheap" Laborers. Since you said they're ediots I was assuming they were foreign, so that's why I made that remark.

But I sure do know that "Cheap" Laborers wouldn't be navigating any military ships .

And please don't say this...

"maybe you do treat them like cheap laborers down there"

Because that's not at all the case .

As a navy lover (In civ 3) myself, I admit what I said was pointless and very unrealistic, and I know snipers couldn't peirce a hole in one of those really modern battleships. So yes I admit defeat, but i admit it with dignity .

 

[Sir_Lancelot]

Yes it was fun

But you didn't need to give up already, you could have made up some facts saying this or that, named any source not on the web and waited for psweet to look it up

 

[Aceman101]

^ I could've indeed. I could even edit this post and state that I'm still not giving up .

 

[psweetman1590]

Ahahaha!
THE CHAMPION!

Okay, that was fun, that was. I hope we find something else to have an argument about soon.

 

[Aceman101]

Yes you pyrrhos and Lancelot are now crowned champions... I still regret giving up but it was the best thing to do since I was running out of ideas and slowly I was losing.... Nevertheless I will win the next argument, whatever it's about. So beware!!

 

[Firewind]

Second: the crew would not all drown when the ship was scuttled. Have you ever heard of a liferaft? Not to mention the fact that it's rather silly to assume that a sailor can't swim well.

I dunno if this is post necromancy or whatever it's called 'round these parts, but I couldn't let this one go. Traditionally, most sailors would outright refuse to learn how to swim, for the simple reason that if they were to go overboard out in the ocean, by the time the ship had turned or maneuvered so that it was in a position for him to reboard, he would have drowned.

I don't know how fast the response time on something like this is in modern day, but I can't imagine that sailors would be any better swimmers than anyone else, unless they were explicitly stationed within swimming distance of the shore at all times and thus had a chance to make it if they were good swimmers. Which I somehow doubt.

Just a point that reminded me of.

 

[psweetman1590]

Traditionally, most sailors would outright refuse to learn how to swim, for the simple reason that if they were to go overboard out in the ocean, by the time the ship had turned or maneuvered so that it was in a position for him to reboard, he would have drowned.

Yes, I'm quite sure that if you don't know how to swim, you'll drown before you can be picked up...

Not quite sure I know what exactly you're trying to explain... I'm not a great swimmer, but I can tread water for a good long while... and if I knew my life depended on it, and even longer long while. I don't see what's preventing a sailor from learning how to swim well. He doesn't have to swim for shore, only long enough to get picked up (assuming there is a ship around to pick up prisoners).

 

[Firewind]

Traditionally, most sailors would outright refuse to learn how to swim, for the simple reason that if they were to go overboard out in the ocean, by the time the ship had turned or maneuvered so that it was in a position for him to reboard, he would have drowned.

Yes, I'm quite sure that if you don't know how to swim, you'll drown before you can be picked up...

Not quite sure I know what exactly you're trying to explain... I'm not a great swimmer, but I can tread water for a good long while... and if I knew my life depended on it, and even longer long while. I don't see what's preventing a sailor from learning how to swim well. He doesn't have to swim for shore, only long enough to get picked up (assuming there is a ship around to pick up prisoners).

What I meant was, by the time the sihp got around to you again, swimmer or no you'd have drowned. Of course, all my knowledge is from my grandfather, who hasn't worked on boats for over thirty years at the least, so my knowledge bank is probably more than a little out of date regarding maneuverability and response times.

 

[psweetman1590]

That might be true, I don't know exactly. But somehow I don't think it would take more than an hour for a ship to sail the distance necessary to make rescue operations.

 

[Firewind]

That might be true, I don't know exactly. But somehow I don't think it would take more than an hour for a ship to sail the distance necessary to make rescue operations.

An hour. In the rough seas. Even treading water that's a stretch, I'd figure. Possible on calm coast, but if you fall overboard in calm weather then you probably weren't doing your job properly (Assuming that, as a sailor, you're, you know, familiar with being on board a ship).

Meh. Ignore me, it's rare I actually know what I'm talking about, that just dragged up something I remembered being taught.