CarmenNES01: Space Colonization!!!

[sp1023]

Welcome to the club. have a brochure. You want to join an alliance, the UFAR? China, Inida, the SAC, and Japan are in it. We'll see if the ural federation will join.

@THE URAL FEDERATION

Join the UFAR. There are no losses, and you are neighbors with China, Japan, and very little with me.

 

[sp1023]

Iran, ill sell you as many transports as you want. It'll be cheaper than the transports u'll get from normal carmen. 20ea ep

 

[sp1023]

Srry for triple posting

 

[Motherland]

If you hadn't apologized for triple posting it would have been a double post, dum-dum.

@ All nations:
There is a nuclear submarine of the U.F.'s that was stolen by a terrorist organization. If any country finds it on there radars, please tell the U.F. We will assist you in capturing it. Afterwards we will take it to your port. I will deal with it. This is an extremely important matter as there are around 20 terrorists on that sub. Be careful when attacking it, because it is equipped with weapons.

 

[carmen510]

Cough, the average nuclear submarine now can fit at maximum, 30 people.

And just so you know, deadline is extended to tomorrow, because I'm so nice and the fact I will require the US to send orders.

 

[Symphony D.]

Cough, the average nuclear submarine now can fit at maximum, 30 people.

Decloak: So is the future ******** or something?

 

[Iownz]

@Motherland:
I'm not sure if it's ur sub, but our Radar spotted an unidentified submarine about 56.2 miles away from Bangkok.

its equipped with (possibly) a few large torpedos and/or missiles, and has standard lasers. Does that fit the description?

 

[IoWNsWIMMINGpOT]

What does the Radar say about the speed and direction of the sub?

 

[carmen510]

Well, less people are required to run the submarine due to more advanced technology, so I guess you could say the future is ********.

 

[Symphony D.]

Well, less people are required to run the submarine due to more advanced technology, so I guess you could say the future is ********.

"Technology = Fewer People" is not a general truism when it comes to military equipment. There's exceedingly little on a submarine that can be automated beyond current levels simply because the importance of many of the stations requires keeping a human in the loop and coordination issues present themselves if several stations are compressed onto a limited number of operators. The same is true of tanks, on a smaller scale; you will generally always require at least a Gunner, Driver, and Commander, simply because one man can't reasonably keep track of it all.

Given your game doesn't have radically different technology in other fields (eg: continued instances of trench warfare) nor artificial intelligences of any real capability (noted ones, anyway) I find this reasoning difficult to reconcile.

With that plus the trend in submarines towards cruise missiles as opposed to ballistics, and the adoption of multi-role capabilities such as special forces insertion, and submarines historically getting larger over time, I find the idea of smaller or similar sized subs with less than 20 to 25% of modern crews to be unlikely. Even a Type VII was bigger than that.

 

[carmen510]

Well, trench warfare is possible if there was no fighter cover, nor any tanks. And this is the wilderness, not a suburban center.

I never said tanks had less people running them. And where exactly do you see AI?

 

[Symphony D.]

I never said tanks had less people running them. And where exactly do you see AI?

That's exactly my point. How can submarines take a quarter of the number of people to man, while other weapon systems require about the same, and there are no data-processing systems much advanced beyond those today?

They can't. The technology as demonstrated elsewhere in the game doesn't support it. That's just a plain and simple inconsistency in presentation of technological development. Unless the Navies of the world are just for some strange reason withholding this advanced automation and data crunching technology from everyone else, anyway.

Either most everything is more advanced and radically cut down in human input, in which case a whole lot of things in the civilian sector and so on are going to be different as well as a result, or nothing is more advanced and radically cut down. It's one or the other; not really an inbetween option.

Considering Turkey was just a few turns previously one of the foremost technological powers and it had just gotten "Advanced Lasers", which will be OTL circa 2020 technology, and nobody's beyond Digital, I'm really kinda doubting anybody has the capability to reduce their crew compliments that much.

So, basically, submarines having only a crew of about 30 is a game of "One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't fit."

 

[IoWNsWIMMINGpOT]

sp1023, trade for 600 tanks? For Ep? For transports???

 

[carmen510]

There are two nations in Early Space Age.

But to stop this argument, I'll bump up the staff to 120.

 

[germanicus12]

@Motherland:
I'm not sure if it's ur sub, but our Radar spotted an unidentified submarine about 56.2 miles away from Bangkok.

its equipped with (possibly) a few large torpedos and/or missiles, and has standard lasers. Does that fit the description?

Part of the US navy is in the area hunting Crimson Patriots, have you tried contacting it?

Also how would radar know when a sub has weapons? No one knows until the sub fires their torpedos and/or is captured.

I am assuming that the average sub, this being a Nuclear sub, will hold around 10 torpedos and about 20 Ballistic Missles, but my sub research may be a bit rusty. I know they sent one off against who.... cannot remember but they did send one airborne, so that means 19 Ballistic missles are left, depending on how many missles Russia left in the sub before it was stolen. These subs are damn hard to find, even for the puny radars your nation has, you will need advanced radar to find them, even then it is still difficult. It is pretty easy to understand why nations fear them.

 

[Motherland]

@Iownz
If it is that far up in the bay of Thailand, why didn't you spot it already?

 

[sp1023]

Well he said that it was up the coast of Bangkok, but now it's moving toward Mumbai. And it is coasting at high speeds. We have attempted to contact it, bt our efforts are fruitless. Once, at the very 1st, we heard some screaming, but that was it. We, for some reason, keep getting telegram messages at New Dehli. Die, Indian Freaks, Die. I'm not sure if this is from the sub, but we are sending out 2 subs of our own to bring it down. It has half a day to respond.

@MOTHERLAND: dO YOU OBJECT IF WE DESTROY YOUR SUB?

@ iwonsswimmingpot: Yes, ill trrade you 200 tanks for 20 transports, or 20 transports for 1ep.
I have 50,000 transports to waste.

 

[Motherland]

I do object if you destroy the sub, because i dont know if it is my sub!

 

[IoWNsWIMMINGpOT]

sp1023,agreement made to trade 200 tanks for 22 transports.

 

[sp1023]

its almost at the tip of India. 2 nuclear subs are being discharged almost immediately. Story soon.

@Motherland: If you want the sub to not be destroyed, come and get it.