CFC Off Topic Turned Me Into a Fascist

Zardnaar

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Over the years I have become more and more right wing and CFC has hardened my views. I've also discovered a new appreciation for the fascist parties of the 30;s/ This doesn't mean I have become a goose stepping neo nazi shouting sieg heil from the rooftops before I go to bed. I've been made redundent twice and since I don't believe in universal welfare I have had to do some really crappy jobs to pay my way until something better come along. Last time was about a month ago and the day after I finished I was down at a temp agency looking for some work which I got the following week. Rather than whine about it I done soimething active.

The world has also become an increasingly liberal place (and is getting worse) over the last 40 odd years. here all that has lead to is the break down of traditional european values for some multicultural world where crime is increasing, and an increasing permanent underclass is emerging who require state handouts to survive. They call it intergenerational welfare dependency here. Basically poor stupidlazy people have poor stupid lazy children. Note that I also qualify as "poor" based on income levels but I owe no money which helps alot and I have very modest tastes so I can survive on very little- around $100 USD per week.

I'm also a racist because I'm a white male, with a clean police record who thinks welfare based handouts or in the USA affirmative action is a waste of time. Yep white, male europeans done some bad things in the past but I don't see why should be held to account for the actions of 19th century imperialists or slave owners assuming I lived in the USA. If you turned it around it would be considered racist except if you're white. It would be like holding certain ethnic groups accountable for the actions of a few in regards to crime or the Jews accountable for the actions of Bernie Maddoff/various Israeli PMs- in 100+ years time.

I've also beome very disillusioned with demoracy. The USA is one example but a similar problem exists in all western democracy's. Basically the electorate votes for whats best for them, not whats best for the country. Election time is essentially an auction using your money to throw at some group the parasitic parlimentarians/senators/congressmen hope to entice for your vote. Essentially they borrow money to deficit spend- its like trying to keep the local alcoholic drunk all the time but paying for it using multiple credit cards and being in permanent debt to someone else. Doesn't matter if its a left/right government or Republican/Democrat or whatever. Theres no incentive for them to actually do a good job except at election time where they hope the voter forgets their previous crimes, or they can vilify the opposition enough to scare the voters into voting for them (Bush=evil, Obama = communist etc)

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and the liberals hated racist white Rhodesia. By our standards they were racist, but what they had was better than modern Zimbabwe and Africa is a money pit. More money has been spent there than on the Marshall plan in post WW2 Europe. The 80's had Ethiopia starve, and people opened there wallets and now the population is 50-100% higher (accounts vary). We are killng them with kindness, probably creating more problems than we solve. My solution let them be and sort their own problems out. The evil Germans exploiting Africans. Compares very well to the English imperial model anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_East_Africa

It also makes me laugh with the mindless media attacks on the Nazis. Yes they were bad and evil and the like. A stupid group of school boys here bowed down before the Nazi flag here and they got dragged over the coals for it, despite not breaking any laws. Also the Media is concerned about the rise of extremist parties in Europe, such as the BNP. They are also concerned about a neo Nazi revival. Which also gives the BNP alot of press coverage and exposure.The Baltic states even decided to erect war memorials to the dreaded SS. They were the ones responsable for most of the serious war crimes of the Nazi regime such as the holocaust and alot of the massacres in various countries. While condeming the SS they overlook some interesting things.

1. Not all of the SS were war criminal s and alot of them from the Baltic states weren't actually members of the Nazi party.
2. Wehrmacht troops were initially welcomed as liberators in various parts of the USSR. Nazi Germanys racial policies probably cost them the war as over a million citizens of the USSR served against the Soviets regardless.
3. They were fighting against the Soviets, not for the Nazis.
4. Resistence continued long after the war was over (ticker tape parade and bring the boys home didn't really happen in alot of Europe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_Brothers
5. The Communists (Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot repression in post WW2 europe) killed alot more people than the Nazis ever did Holocaust included.
6. Not much focus on Allied war crimes (Dresden etc)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/15/russia-gulag-historian-arrested

The liberals are trying to save the world, but they're destroying it more than the right ever did, then and now. I think my ideal state would be some sort of non racist neo fascist (pre WW2 Italy) state with an isolationist foreign policy like Switzerland. Tkae the good bits of Fascism and throw out the racist parts as glorified by Herr Hitler who has become a caricture. No i dopn't like Hitler (to stupid and militaristic) but I've been called a Nazi more than once by various *******s.
 
Sorry to hear that Zardnaar, your life philosophies should not be based on a discussion forum. Although I do believe reading your post, that CFC-OT might have played a part, but you were going to go that way anyway. CFC might have sped it up a little. Lots of generalisations and pre-conceived notions as well.

Congratulations Winner. :thumbsup:
 
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I don't think you understand how welfare works in the U.S., you can not be blamed because you are not from here, but honestly it is not the early 90s and everyone who mentions it seems to think so.

TANF is just that temporary. The rates of people on it are 4 times lower than in 1994.

Furthermore Food Stamps (or rather EBT cards in most states) Can only be used for food and are never in excess of 176 dollars a month.

Medicaid - Surely health care for the very poor will be the downfall of western civilization.

Unemployment Insurance - They take it out of your pay check while you are working, it is just that insurance.

The rich pay a higher % of taxes.
35% - $372,951
10% - $0 – $8,350


Everyone has agreed to these taxes via voting, just as every capitalist likes to claim that everyone agrees to their wages by working. Deal with it.


The fact of the matter is these high tax rates and the paltry welfare system are not made to "help" the poor it is there to keep them in line, starving people are more dangerous than standing armies.

Just to recap: Less than one and a half percent of people in the United States are directly receiving money they have not earned in some way because they are needy. Electronic cards are given out so that you can buy food if you are technically in poverty. The very poor can recive health care benefits. The poor pay low taxes because they vote.

You don't know anything about my country and you get your information from right wing talking heads.


#2 - You are a Fascist, good for you.
 
The world has also become an increasingly liberal place (and is getting worse) over the last 40 odd years. here all that has lead to is the break down of traditional european values for some multicultural world where crime is increasing, and an increasing permanent underclass is emerging who require state handouts to survive.
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The liberals are trying to save the world, but they're destroying it more than the right ever did, then and now. I think my ideal state would be some sort of non racist neo fascist (pre WW2 Italy) state with an isolationist foreign policy like Switzerland. Tkae the good bits of Fascism and throw out the racist parts as glorified by Herr Hitler who has become a caricture. No i dopn't like Hitler (to stupid and militaristic) but I've been called a Nazi more than once by various *******s.
You complain about the liberals, but you turn fascist? What do you then mean by 'fascist'? I think you've been listening to propaganda, since the fascists were... *drumroll* liberal. Lemme highlight some of the liberal points in the Fascist Manifesto:

Italians! Here is the program of a genuinely Italian movement. It is revolutionary because it is anti-dogmatic, strongly innovative and against prejudice.

For the political problem: We demand:

a) Universal suffrage polled on a regional basis, with proportional representation and voting and electoral office eligibility for women.

b) A minimum age for the voting electorate of 18 years; that for the office holders at 25 years.

c) The abolition of the Senate.

d) The convocation of a National Assembly for a three-years duration, for which its primary responsibility will be to form a constitution of the State.

e) The formation of a National Council of experts for labor, for industy, for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc. [Erik: Can you say "czars"?] Selections to be made from the collective professionals or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a General Commission with ministerial powers.

For the social problems: We demand:

a) The quick enactment of a law of the State that sanctions an eight-hour workday for all workers.

b) A minimum wage.

c) The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions.

d) To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or public servants.

e) The rapid and complete systemization of the railways and of all the transport industries.

f) A necessary modification of the insurance laws to invalidate the minimum retirement age; we propose to lower it from 65 to 55 years of age.

For the military problem: We demand:

a) The institution of a national militia with a short period of service for training and exclusively defensive responsibilities.

b) The nationalization of all the arms and explosives factories.

c) A national policy intended to peacefully further the Italian national culture in the world.

For the financial problem: We demand:

a) A strong progressive tax on capital that will truly expropriate a portion of all wealth.

b) The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor.

c) The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent of the profits therein.
 
You're not a fascist, it's just that leftism is the new fascism.

This is my absolute favorite new crackpot argument, as seen in books like Liberal Fascism... seriously I can't get enough of this one, by all means start a thread on it please
 
You complain about the liberals, but you turn fascist? What do you then mean by 'fascist'? I think you've been listening to propaganda, since the fascists were... *drumroll* liberal. Lemme highlight some of the liberal points in the Fascist Manifesto:
this is becoming one of your pet peeves, isn't it? ;)

but if you want to use the original meaning of fascism, shouldn't you be using the original meaning of liberal as well?

@Zardnaar: What does CFC have to do with you turning down that path?
 
The world has also become an increasingly liberal place (and is getting worse) over the last 40 odd years.

The world has become a boring place. That's why you should read novels, listen to music and participate in activities that transport you to times forgotten. Interesting times when anything was possible.

I'm also a racist because I'm a white male

Yes.
 
Well, Zardnaar, that's, uh...nice? :dunno: What do you want us to do, refute each one of those one by one or something? Get dragged into the nth political viewpoint thread? Congratulate you on having fit yourself into a box? :run:?

When you write your autobiography, I suggest you use this thread's title as the one for your book. :3
The world has become a boring place. That's why you should read novels, listen to music and participate in activities that transport you to times forgotten. Interesting times when anything was possible.
I've been doing this unconsciously for years.
 
The internets corrupted another person's mind! :run:
 
this is becoming one of your pet peeves, isn't it? ;)

but if you want to use the original meaning of fascism, shouldn't you be using the original meaning of liberal as well?
Not so much a peeve as a hilarious thing to point out that I have yet to see an answer to beyond "LOL" and "You're clueless". I'll probably find something else to harp on once somebody makes even a half-hearted effort at rebutting it. Fascism pretty much died out except as an insult, while liberalism stuck around and changed, which is why I consider it legitimate to use the historical definition of one and the current definition of the other, especially since classical liberalism is fairly close to what we now call libertarianism, so it has another name.
 
The world has also become an increasingly liberal place (and is getting worse) over the last 40 odd years.

With the exception of environmental degradation, I can't think of a single sense in which that is even remotely true.
 
Erik, to be honest I don't know much about Italian fascism, but I do remember that Hitler and Mussolini didn't regard each other's ideologies very kindly. When you say: "Fascist were liberal (using the American term)" and you quote the Fascist Manifesto, is this a piece to woe supporters or is this actually implemented policy with regard to both fascist Germany and Italy? I know that the Nazi Party in Germany had a similar pitch, but when they actually gained power ... well lets say that the Hitler-o-meter would have shown quite a few broken campaign promises.
 
Your not facist, you've just thrown a tantrum because the world is inevitably changing, and it isn't the change that you like. Yes, some of it sucks, but wasn't really any different back then, except it was more subtle.
 
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