I'm not going to do that. It's disrespectful for me to go over there and try to tell them how to run their team. Or question them on their motives for doing this and that. You are well known over there, and this is YOUR issue so you should be the one to address RB. So YOU should explain that to them, and if they come around, then they can accept all their lurkers onto their team where they should be in the first place and this whole issue is resolved. Seems to me that you are barking up the wrong tree on this point You may be right on the first point, but again, that is something for YOU to go tell RB "that they are being illogical." If you can't convince them then what do you want from us? Are you implying that we are so much smarter and wiser and fairer than RB? OK then, if we are so smart and wise and fair, compared to RB, then why wont you play with the settings we want? I think it is because you don't think we are any wiser or fairer than the RB players. At best we are the same, maybe you might even think the RB guys are actually a little wiser than us. So if that is true, then how can us 'pea-brains' at CFC be more logical that the wise and smart RB guys? It doesnt make sense The bottom line is you have to convince THEM. That's where the problem is. YOU have to convince them to take their own players. Now as for the second point, I respectfully disagree. Saying 'paranoia' is just rhetoric right? It boils down to who is right. Who is more likely to have the best instinct in this situation (ie, what is the proper way to conduct an MTDG). You, saying there wont be any spying, or them saying there will be spying. What is their instinct based on? Is it based on experience? It seems to me that you are saying it is based on past experience, which is what our feeling was over here. So all we are doing is giving a little deference to RB's experience with this issue and going with their judgment. You can call that 'paranoia' if you want. I call it good decision making. Another way to look at it, is if THEY are smarter than us, then we should do what they do (ie restrict access). On the other hand if WE are smarter than them, then you should be happy to play with the settings we want right?. The premise of this statement is wrong. You start with the assumption that we have no experience playing with the other members of this team. In fact I have experience playing with EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of this team. Maybe on different teams maybe as teammates. I think everyone on the team was on one of the BTS MTDG II teams. None of the players on this team are complete strangers to me. Some of them are more like family (in a 'Civ' sort-of way). Everyone on this team has a posting history that can be checked and verified, so we at least know something about each other and our Civ playing history. But that isn't even the main point (What there's more?... Yea, there's always more with Sommerswerd baby! This well never runs dry). When you only play with players with established histories, there is accountability. There is a reason you are able to shame Cal all over the threads... Its because he is an established player and poster with a long history and tons of activity. His reputation matters. His good name matters to him and everyone else. When his reputation is tarnished, there is an effect that is real and tangible and felt by everyone. Contrast that with a person who has little or no posting history. So what if they do something scummy? So what if they get caught spying or whatever? So that account gets banned. So what? They will be right back tommorow with a new IP/ new account. There is NO ACCOUNTABILITY for new accounts. As I said you are mistaken on this. I know everyone on this team, so its completely logical for me to trust them more than strangers.