Change Vikings to Danes

[Magma]

As a Dane myself I do not really see a problem with the current name, although it is historically inaccurate. I find the greater problem to be the fact the civ itself never bothers to make a city in Denmark. I would place the capital at Copenhagen, but the name of the Civ itself seems irrelevant to me. Either of the three will have nationalists jump from their chairs and swing their pitchforks.

 

[lumpthing]

I don't think it's about nationalism. I'm English and have no connection whatsoever with any 'Nordic' country but I would MUCH prefer the Vikings to be renamed the Danes, both for the reasons given in the OP and because, for me, it's more immersive to be dealing with civs that have the names of real historical countries, not amorphous regional blocs and especially not a term that only makes sense for a few centuries.

 

[Magma]

I don't think it's about nationalism. I'm English and have no connection whatsoever with any 'Nordic' country but I would MUCH prefer the Vikings to be renamed the Danes, both for the reasons given in the OP and because, for me, it's more immersive to be dealing with civs that have the names of real historical countries, not amorphous regional blocs and especially not a term that only makes sense for a few centuries.

I was more referring to Danes, Swedes and Norwegians swinging them.

 

[Cosmos1985]

Renaming the Vikings Danes or Swedes sounds utterly silly to me - for various reasons, gameplay first and foremost, a unified civ works best, and a unified civ is neither danish or swedish, but precisely a viking/norse/scandinavian civ. Can't really understand what purpose it should have to call them anything else and piss off the other nationalities. All - or almost all - scandinavians, and people in general, recognize the fact that we are closely linked when it comes to culture, language, history, etc. etc., a unified civ "works" gameplay-wise, and should of course also be named as a unified civ.

As a Dane myself I do not really see a problem with the current name, although it is historically inaccurate. I find the greater problem to be the fact the civ itself never bothers to make a city in Denmark. I would place the capital at Copenhagen, but the name of the Civ itself seems irrelevant to me. Either of the three will have nationalists jump from their chairs and swing their pitchforks.

+ 1. I tried to lobby for Copenhagen a few times before, glad to see broader interest has arised finally for this. Or at least to make Denmark becoming part of this civ in some way or the other, the Copenhagen spot being the most obvious spot. Eventually the plot could start out as Roskilde, Civ-wise it's the same spot, and it was the old danish royal city, before Copenhagen. But that's a minor detail.

I like the idea of the viking settlers starting in galleys, some playtesting obviously needs to get done, but in theory it's a good idea. I would be fine with Copenhagen/Roskilde or Stockholm as Capitols also, no doubt that this is the two most significant scandinavian cities all in all. Oslo, bleh, not so much, Norway has always been the little brother of first Denmark and later Sweden, and it would seem counterintuitive to have the capital there. Would be sort of like making Edinburgh capitol of a British civ, no offense Scotsmen

But in short: I'm fine with Vikings, Scandinavians or even Norse as name - I would go with Scandinavians if it was up to me as it is the most fitting name looking at the timeframe as a whole, and to me it seems the most recognizable and, well, the best name. Just not Danes or Swedes, seems stupid to me. For me the primary issue is having Denmark being Scandinavian on a consistent basis, if not letting a Denmark-spot being capitol city.

 

[lumpthing]

The Divine One has spoken not long ago that he is on a mission far away. He might be able to hear our plea but I doubt he can do something about it before he returns to his true home.
Perhaps a prophet of some sorts can try and correct the problem, I'm sure it will be recognized by The Divine One!

A prophet may not speak for the one who is greater than himself, but he may prophesy of the time when the one greater than himself will return.

 

[lumpthing]

Okay I updated the OP with the latest voting results. The Norse still have a slight edge but Denmark can rest easy in the knowledge that Copenhagen is still the overwhelming favourite for the capital. Interestingly there are still ZERO votes for the Vikings and Nidaros.

Let us pray.

 

[Cethegus]

Personally, I see renaming the Vikings as Danes and changing their capital to Copenhagen suffering from the same issues as the Vikings are currently being harassed for. Not to mention it seems utterly one-sided and stupid to overlook the Swedish influence on the area and insisting on that the capital of the region should be somewhere where it has little to no effect other than flavor reasons.

But hey, to each their own; I don't have to download this modmod if it ends up finished some time during the near future. Perhaps you'll manage coding them to succesfully colonize the Scandian peninsula the hard way.

 

[lumpthing]

Personally, I see renaming the Vikings as Danes and changing their capital to Copenhagen suffering from the same issues as the Vikings are currently being harassed for. Not to mention it seems utterly one-sided and stupid to overlook the Swedish influence on the area and insisting on that the capital of the region should be somewhere where it has little to no effect other than flavor reasons.

1. Flavor reasons are kind of important in RFC....

2. No-one was particularly opposed to a Stockholm capital. What we hate is having Nidaros as a capital. It's like having Worcester as the capital of England, or Nantes as the capital of France. It's just very clearly the wrong capital city. Copenhagen was the most dominant city in the Nordic world for the longest period of history, so it's the most popular choice. But Stockholm would also be infinitely be better than Nidaros.

But hey, to each their own; I don't have to download this modmod if it ends up finished some time during the near future. Perhaps you'll manage coding them to succesfully colonize the Scandian peninsula the hard way.

Everyone who supports having Copenhagen as the capital supports having settlers begin on the Scandinavian peninsula as well.

 

[Magnificent One]

Danish were influential from 500AD to 13th/14th century.Then they were the Kalmars.Then the Swedes broke off,and they became influential with ther empire.

Why don't you rename them the Kalmar Union? Or Norway? They were united with both the Danes and the Swedes.

Being the Kalmar Union can't really bug the other two Scandinavians,seeing as the Kalmar was all of them.

 

[dragodon64]

Kalmar doesn't sound like a real ethnicity, culture group or nation, just a political organization. I'd prefer something which excluded some of the northern peoples in exchange for having the flavor of a true country.

 

[Magnificent One]

I myself would prefer Sweden as i like the 1400's and after.And why could there not be mod comps,each changing them different?Like,Modcomp I would would change vikings to Denmark,Modcomp II change to the Sweden and Modcomp III would change them to Norway.

 

[Positronic]

In order to compensate for the problem of Denmark being the Scandinavian hegemony in one era and Sweden in the next, I think it's easiest to call them Norse, have their capital at Copenhagen, and make dynamic names so that it can switch between Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Kalmar Union, what have you.

 

[Ekolite]

I've gone off the idea of having the capital at Copenhagen. I think it would create too much cultural pressure of Germany and especially the Netherlands. I think they should have their capital at Stockholm, becoming Sweden and entering the game at a later point if needed. Vikings can be represented by barbarians IMO.

 

[Arkaeyn]

Is anyone actually doing any modding on this, or is it just a bunch of opinions?

 

[TDK]

I think it's just to show that "Nidaros" and "Vikings" are not satisfactory to any player that actually voted, maybe Rhye will notice.

I made a test save and tried playing it a few times. The "Vikings settled just fine with one city in Sweden and one in Norway, in addition to Copenhagen.
The Dutch or Germans didn't have any cultural problems because they get bonuses in their core areas. In the longer run it seems to be more the other way around because Amsterdam-Germany have the better production potential.

In 1/3 games, Copenhagen was captured by Germany quite early, and the Capital jumped to Sweden.

I'm not planning on doing any actual modding.

 

[Ekolite]

That sounds like it's working well. I think it will be likely that they will lose Copenhagen, but it's not neccessarilly a bad thing. I do think that the actual city of Copenhagen will need an extra resource or two though if it's going to act as a capital.

I think that the best name for the Vikings would be ''norse'' or something similar, but using the dynamic naming system they would be ''Vikings'' in the early middle ages, then Danes after that with a capital in Denmark, Norway with a capital in Norway and Sweden with a capital in Sweden. If the capital moved anywhere outside of that they would stick with which ever name they had last. This would represent I think the way that power shifts between the powers at various times in history. So they weren't always united, so they are different nations nowadays, but there are plenty of precendents of bending history for game play in this game. The Greeks were no more united in the Ancient times but they are still represented by one civ, Russia is an amalgamation of the Muscovites and Kieven Rus in terms of their UU/UB/UP/UHV.

Ultimately they can't all be represented by seperate civs, and there are good arguments for all of them, so I think this is the only real answer.

 

[Magnificent One]

Stockholm could be a good capital.Sure,it's no good at the beggining,buts it sitting on uranium,and once you build some more cities like Oslo and Sandvall(??),you can build mines,improving the production.

 

[BurnEmDown]

I think if the starting location is moved further south then maybe an Iron could be moved from northern Scandinavia to the Copenhagen peninsula so the city could have decent production
(or was it copper? cant remember).

 

[dragodon64]

Theres iron beside Nidaros and Copper in Lapland. At least one, maybe both, could be moved to Jutland or Sweden.

 

[Arkaeyn]

I think it's just to show that "Nidaros" and "Vikings" are not satisfactory to any player that actually voted, maybe Rhye will notice.

Rhye's both in Japan and working on the Greek World mod, so I'm not sure if offering brainstorms is enough to get into RFC, at least for a while.