Cirumnavigation bonus without a ship?

[jeff_vandenberg]

Is this a BTS thing or an FFH Thing?

I was just playing a game as the Ljosalfar and am trading world maps with everyone. Out of the blue I get the message that my maps prove that the world is round and that I get the ship speed bonus.

This made me blink alot.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Its a vanilla Civ IV thing, although the text was changed in BtS (it used to say that your ships have circumnavigated the globe, although it was quite possible to do without ever building a ship)

 

[Ekolite]

Isn't Erebus supposed to be a flat world? I wish the circumnavigation thing was removed.

 

[Grillick]

Circumnavigation is determined by map type, not by the mod.

 

[icantcmyeye]

it seems that in map trading the human player always gets the bonus over the AI

 

[zanzibar196]

You can also get the bonus from casting water walking, and making a unit walk around the entire globe...

 

[Mewtarthio]

Does anyone else find the message "_____ has proven the world is round" to be really annoying? For the love of Agares, the ancient Greeks managed to prove the world was round without sailing to "India" by travelling west.

 

[popejubal]

Does anyone else find the message "_____ has proven the world is round" to be really annoying? For the love of Agares, the ancient Greeks managed to prove the world was round without sailing to "India" by travelling west.

The ancient Greeks (or at least one ancient Greek did and then told some others about it) surmised that the world was round based on the shadow that it cast on the moon during an eclipse, but the only way to prove it would be to actually go around the whole thing and physically check it to say, "yep. It's round, all right."

Doing that, you'd also find out how big the world is and that's something that the ancient Greeks (same guy, in fact) did as well. The fact that they got the number wrong makes me appreciate the "_____ has proven the world is round" statement even more.

 

[Rex rgis of Ter]

The fact that they got the number wrong makes me appreciate the "_____ has proven the world is round" statement even more.

I think the number was only off by a couple hundred meters.

 

[eerr]

change it to
unitname:"has rounded the flat world of erebus"

 

[cephalo]

Does anyone else find the message "_____ has proven the world is round" to be really annoying? For the love of Agares, the ancient Greeks managed to prove the world was round without sailing to "India" by travelling west.

Many things that the ancients knew were forgotten when the Roman empire fell. Polybius(~140 B.C.) knew that when you sail south of the equator, the sun reaches it's daily peak on your opposite shoulder. In Henry the Navigators time(~1450 A.D), Europeans assumed that there was nothing south of the Sahara but fiery wasteland.

It's shocking to see what can happen when public literacy falls to almost nothing. Human knowledge can be wiped out in just a few generations if it is not actively passed down.

 

[popejubal]

I think the number was only off by a couple hundred meters.

If you assume that he was using the most common unit of measure for stadion at the time, then he was more than 6000 miles off. If you assume he was using the Egyption stadion, then he was still about 400 miles off. (Paraphrased from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes )


It's a really impressive feat for him to have done and I'm astounded that he was able to do the calculations at the time and I really have no idea how he got measurements that were so very precise, but it's still no match for actually traveling the globe and seeing and measuring the locations for yourself (with verification and backup from other maps and astronomical calculations).

 

[Fenboy]

Many things that the ancients knew were forgotten when the Roman empire fell. Polybius(~140 B.C.) knew that when you sail south of the equator, the sun reaches it's daily peak on your opposite shoulder. In Henry the Navigators time(~1450 A.D), Europeans assumed that there was nothing south of the Sahara but fiery wasteland.

It's shocking to see what can happen when public literacy falls to almost nothing. Human knowledge can be wiped out in just a few generations if it is not actively passed down.

We're not as far from that as you might think, check this guy out: http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1684.htm

 

[Darkheart]

I'd like I pop that says "Beyonde here be dragons"
..... It could just be true .

 

[cephalo]

We're not as far from that as you might think, check this guy out: http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1684.htm

He's not alone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_Society

You can ask any question with a single answer, and no matter how obvious the answer is, you will never find unanimity. That's why politics is so incredibly difficult. There are two kinds of people; people who are wrong, and people who are right for the wrong reasons.

In the words of Shaka Zulu (erm, from the movie that is..) "That's why tyrants are necessary, Baba."

 

[Darkheart]

We're not as far from that as you might think, check this guy out: http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1684.htm

LOL....That is incredible. Is it serious?

 

[Ekolite]

Lol how can people honestly believe that the Earth is flat nowadays? How much more evidence do you actually want before your willing to accept that you're wrong. He says anything that is not mentioned in the Qoran ia a lie. WTH? Maybe its not in the Qoran because when the Qoran was written people didn't have satelites and people who have actually travelled to the moon to find out what shape the earth is. What he's saying is absolute b.s, times have changed since the Qoran and the bible etc were written. IMO what they say was very relevant to life in ancient/medieval times but some aspects of it are seriously out-dated.

 

[xienwolf]

Yeah, these guys are scary. I've downloaded quite a bit of their material when I was doing general sweeps for decent astro-footage videos. Watched one out of sheer morbid curiosity and learned that not only do some people believe them, but enough believe them that they had a convention to honor the "great works" of one of their "scholars." I guess his inability to grasp modern science was so impressive it warranted a lifetime achievement award. :boggle:

 

[Nikis-Knight]

Take a look at Pastwatch: The redemption of Christopher Columbus if you get a chance, it has some scenes where Columbus is trying to convince the king & queen to fund his voyage, both parties are citing Greek scholars to argue over the likely cicumfrence of the globe. (It's fiction, of course, but a good read and makes some sense.)

 

[merciary]

I've read that book and it was a good read. But of course I'm really into alternate history books.