Citizen group: Cultural & Civic Committee [CCC]

[ordinaryguy]

Fellow citizens, it's time to push for a cultural bomb. I've just checked the current situation of our nation and I noticed the city of Lyons is extremely close to our fine capital and our new third city (see here). I want to find out how we can enforce our culture upon Lyons. It will give us a free city with an open source to clams. With some luck we can even develop Lyons to cover the vinyards 2W of Lyons.

If we're going for a cultural bomb then we'll definately need a religion, make sure to push for CoL in our tech discussions

There are 5 ways:

1. Research Music first and get GA.

2. Research Drama, build theater and run artist specialist

3. Build wonder(s) that produce GA points.

4. GP farm with GA emphasized with caste system as civic.

A religion is not enough to flip a city usually.

 

[Hyronymus]

After some sever sneezing from all the dust gathered on this topic I want to reopen this fine instrument for discussing the points of view with my party members. Don't worry. non-members are invited to discuss with us!

With the discovery of Democracy we could change civic from Serfdom to Emancipation. It would really be an early change to Emancipation, one I never executed that early in a game myself. We could however benefit from it. Not only does it penalise our enemies it also gives +100% growth of Cottages, Hamlets and Villages. The only bonus Serfdom gives us is +50% worker speed, something I don't find too exciting compared to the bonuses provided by Emancipation. The upkeep for Serfdom and Emancipation is equal.

When we conquered the Romans I would strongly suggest we change civics again. This time from Vassalage to Free Speech. Free Speech has less upkeep and yields +100% culture in all our cities and +2 gold from towns. What we would loose is our +2 experience points for new units and the free (as in no upkeep) 25 units. Given the favour that a Space Victory has I think we can easily adopt Free Speech though. We only need an army to defend our nation if we go for a Space Victory.

 

[Provolution]

I would argue we delay the Civic change till after the Roman War (annihilation of Rome), and make a more radical shift in the Civics.

We all agree Representation and Organized Religion works out fine, with the extra science and building speed.

But after the Roman wars, we should change from Vassalage to Free Speech (But make sure we build all the armies we need for the rest of the game under "Vassalage") and then the shift from Serfdom to emancipation in the very same Civic change. The reason for this, is that there is still a need to work our land relatively fast, as we got some jungle and forests to handle, as well as some roads to develop following the German conquest.

I agree to the outlined idea, but to pace all changes after the Roman War.

 

[dutchfire]

With the amount of civic changes we've had, it's starting to get expensive to change civics. Therefor I'd say we should make one big switch after Democracy (whenever that'll be ). The final civics should be Representation, Free Speech, Emancipation, Mercantilism, Free Religion.

 

[Provolution]

I agree to this plan, and as Dutchfire says, we need to make it in one major change. Right after the Roman War would be perfect.

 

[fed1943]

I agree,too. After the Roman War shall be the good timing.

And the civics proposed also look good, but we shall see later.

Best regards,

 

[ordinaryguy]

I have no objections to the proposed changes.