City Names mod for BTS

Duneflower · Mar 30, 2009

Ah, yes, thanks for reminding me: Date of foundation or acquisition.

Huayna Capac357 · Mar 30, 2009

Arkaeyn said:
Date of founding makes sense to some extent, but doesn't always. For example, civilizations like the Byzantines or Babylonians mostly consist of cities founded by other civilizations.

Philly is also a decent choice, and is maybe easier to argue for than New York.

Yes. I third Philadelphia as the capital. Then New York and then I would put Washington.

Ninja2 · Mar 31, 2009

I actually have a full list of Viking cities at home. The list is based more on foundation dates, and pays no attention to current ownership (so some cities which are today Russian/Ukranian/English/Irish are in there), and are mostly (as I remember) their historical names.

I'll post it later, and you can see how you like it.

climat · Apr 1, 2009

I'm korean so I may help you with korean cities..

Ninja2 · Apr 1, 2009

Here's the Viking list:

Roskilde
Uppsala
Aros
Ribe
Birka
Lindholm
Viborg
Aldeigjuborg (Starya Ladoga in Russia)
Haithabu
Konugard (Kiev's original, Varangian name)
Kaupang
Limerick
Dyflin
Holmgard
Vadrejford
Reykjavik
Tonsberg
Tynwald
Stamford
Leirvik
Visby
Jelling
Odense
Skara
Nidaros
Lodose
Vasteras
Oslo
Sigtuna
Lund
Kirkjuvagr
Bjorgvin
Stavanger
Brattahlid
Kirkjubour

Arkaeyn · Apr 1, 2009

Hi Climat - that would be great, I realized I hadn't really touched the initial list. Do you know how to get to it?

Thanks, Ninja2!

JustATourist · Apr 2, 2009

I would move Haithabu up in the list, because of it's importance as a trading post. (They found coins even from islamic countries from that time at the site where Haithabu was.)

Arkaeyn · Apr 2, 2009

So I'm going through Huayna Capac's list of Mayan cities, and he's using the original Mayan names where possible. These names, however, tend to be recreated from archaeology, not commonly used, and possibly the names of the kingdoms (or city-states) instead of the city itself.

This leads to questions of accuracy. In general with the mod, I've used city names as they're generally used in the English-speaking world - Moscow instead of Moskva, Thebes instead of Niwt-Rst, etc.

Which do you all find preferable? Should it be consistent across the mod? Should it depend on the civ? OR should I just power through until I steal Rhye's name-changing Python code?

Huayna Capac357 · Apr 2, 2009

You can modify it if you like. I understand your concerns.

Arkaeyn · Apr 2, 2009

Thanks, though I'm not sure if I want to. Which is the problem. This is the hardest part of the mod. x-p

Ninja2 · Apr 3, 2009

JustATourist said:
I would move Haithabu up in the list, because of it's importance as a trading post. (They found coins even from islamic countries from that time at the site where Haithabu was.)

You're right that Haithabu (Hedeby) was very important. The cities further up the list were founded earlier, though, and were also important.

JustATourist · Apr 3, 2009

Arkaeyn said:
This leads to questions of accuracy. In general with the mod, I've used city names as they're generally used in the English-speaking world - Moscow instead of Moskva, Thebes instead of Niwt-Rst, etc.

If possible for more than 50% of the Civs, I'd prefer to use the name the cities really have been/are called in their language. One reason is simple: Civ4 isn't only available in english language. If you play a russian language version (for example), I see no reason, why the city should be called Moscow instead of Moskva, or if you play a german language version, why the city should be called Munich instead of München. A second reason is flavor: If you select a unit, a sound is played, which is supposed to be in the civs language, and modders spend much time to create ethnical units and buildings. So, it would be logical to make the city names also ethnical.

Ninja2 said:
You're right that Haithabu (Hedeby) was very important. The cities further up the list were founded earlier, though, and were also important.

Well, maybe you are right.

It was just a suggestion, what felt right for me.

Ninja2 · Apr 3, 2009

I noticed yesterday that in the original CIV, cities were localized - i.e., the french language version would use french spelling, etc.

In any case, what citylists should look like and their spelling is a very subjective topic. There's no right answer for any of this. I also find it slightly amusing that a nomad would make a city name mod!

Arkaeyn · Apr 4, 2009

So, for example, the Arabs would found Al-Quds instead of Jerusalem. The Egyptians found Niwt-Rst instead of Thebes. The Indians found Dilli instead of Delhi. That's good by y'all? Rome is Roma. Athens, Athenai.

By the way, most of these are available in the Rhye's and Fall of Civilization and RAND python city names code. If you've played those mods, and think that that's the best way to go, I wouldn't disagree a whole lot.

Huayna Capac357 · Apr 4, 2009

Yes. I would like that a lot. And BTW what's on your Indian city list? You should have some Harappan names on there near the top (Harappa, Mohenjo-Daro), and cities like Ayodhya and Pataliputra high as well.

EDIT: I made a Chinese city list. You can change it or whatever. Note: it's for Civ III, when you could just enter names, so it's long.

Beijing
Chang'an
Luoyang
Anyang
Nanjing
Hangzhou
Kaifeng
Shanghai
Guangdong
Tianjin
Wuhan
Chengdu
Chongqing
Fuzhou
Yangzhou
Suzhou
Guilin
Kunming
Kashgar
Dalian
Ningbo
Xinjian
Changsha
Baoting
Nanning
Baotou
Changchun
Xianggang
Macao
Hainan
Taipei
Malacca
Lhasa
Kotan

Arkaeyn · Apr 6, 2009

The biggest problem with original-language city names is when multiple civs can lay claim to the same city. For example, Jerusalem is on several different civs' lists right now. If the Arabs start founding Al-Quds while the Romans keep founding Jerusalem, then the same city will exist multiple times.

Rhye's Python code for city name changing MIGHT prevent this, but it also might not. I haven't figured out a great way to test that.

Yxklyx · Mar 5, 2010

This is interesting. A while back I renamed Native Americans to Sioux and renamed most of their cities. Also did the Barbarians, mostly changing the form of the original city name.

Yxklyx · Mar 5, 2010

What's up with Jerusalem being both on the Arabian and Roman list?

Huayna Capac357 · Mar 5, 2010

Oo. Since this has been bumped, I have updated my Chinese list I submitted. Here is a better version (the order of Beijing in relation to Chang'an is debatable):

Spoiler :

Yxklyx · Mar 6, 2010

So yeah, I renamed Native American to Sioux and here are the city names I came up with:

Spoiler :

there's actually more I think but this should be enough...

P.S. No more Poverty Point!

City Names mod for BTS

Warlord

Deity

Great Engineer

King

Great Engineer

King

Lost in Translation

King

Deity

King

Great Engineer

Lost in Translation

Great Engineer

King

Deity

King

King

King

Deity

King

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