City - states roster!

The Vatican is most certainly a city state, infact, it overqualifies. It's a city state within a city. :lol: Calling it dirt may start a flamewar with devote Catholics, btw. We don't call Mecca a stranded dingy desert do we? We don't call Jerusalem a decaying city surrounded by an inhospitable sea of desert, refugees, and war, do we?

I suggest apologizing and/or editing it out to be more 'nice'. Religious flame wars are the worst flame wars. :rolleyes: Vatican City could play a role, should religion ever return in an expansion(my bet is yes), as the big 'crusade' launcher.
 
The Vatican is most certainly a city state, infact, it overqualifies. It's a city state within a city. :lol: Calling it dirt may start a flamewar with devote Catholics, btw. We don't call Mecca a stranded dingy desert do we? We don't call Jerusalem a decaying city surrounded by an inhospitable sea of desert, refugees, and war, do we?

I suggest apologizing and/or editing it out to be more 'nice'. Religious flame wars are the worst flame wars. :rolleyes: Vatican City could play a role, should religion ever return in an expansion(my bet is yes), as the big 'crusade' launcher.

No. My message had no religious connotation. Pick a fight with someone else.
 
I'm not a catholic, but I find calling the Vatican a shovel of dirt quite appalling.
 
I'm not a catholic, but I find calling the Vatican a shovel of dirt quite appalling.

Again. My message had no religious connotation - I was referring to the size of the said-state. I'm baptized and confirmed as Catholic. What's appaling is the fact that I have to justify myself.

Who's in for religious victimization here? Not me.
 
I wouldn't say "Vatican", but the "Papal States" were basically a Roman city-state along the same lines as Florence or Genoa or the others, just run by the church rather than a Duke (or Venetian Republic).
 
Again. My message had no religious connotation - I was referring to the size of the said-state. I'm baptized and confirmed as Catholic. What's appaling is the fact that I have to justify myself.

Who's in for religious victimization here? Not me.

I never said it did. It's appaling to call it that from an architectual and artistic point of view, as well as the common courtesy not to refer to a holy site as a heap of dirt.
 
hé hé, Florence is in :)

Italian cities are considered as different from Roman Empire.:D

So maybe hanseatic league (Lubeck, Novgorod,...) cities too?

Ooh, that would be cool. I like medieval cities that defended their privileges from the Kingdoms and Principalities that surrounded them because they provide a bit of variety from Ancient city-states while being a bit more realistic than the modern ones. Ideally, there should be a mix of all three (Ancient being Ur or Carthage, Medieval being places like Florence, and modern being likely capitals of nations that wouldn't be in the game otherwise).

i see a winner grin in your face :)

ok, then i would comment that Italia should be a civilization in the game, if roman empire is considered much different.
Italia is a very influential country.

While I think Italy was influential, Italy is also associated with its reputation post-unification (which hasn't been stellar). During its heydey, it wasn't close to unified (I realize that Greece fits under the same category, but if you allow the Hellenistic Empire of Alexander and the domination afterwards, it had a bit more unity that Italy had during its cultural highpoint).

@Ribannah;
maybe they might have put this city-state issue also to get rid of some ancient civs as well.

greece, sumeria and babylon was small empires most of the time. alex empire was exceptional however, but he was the leader of macedonia and it is not a common idea to consider him as greek. Most historicians don't consider him greek.

Babylon didn't have a small empire (at least, not the Chaldean Neo-Babylonian Empire). It was smaller than the Assyrian Empire, but still significant. Basically, there was the Assyrian Empire, the Neo-Babylonian Empire, the Persian Empire, and Alexander's Empire. They all basically build on each other (I mean that both in territory and administration). The point is the trend in mesopotamia was for unification. The Sumerians had city states, but, ever since Sargon created an empire from Akkad, the impetus was on others to top it.

Greece did have a stronger history of city states (actually Poleis, some weren't even cities, so to call them City-States would be erroneous). But Hellenistic culture was such a strong influence over the Mediterranean that it would be a shame to limit them to a minor non-playable faction (or factions).

Damascus a city of arab civ (Syria capitol)

Doesn't Damascus predate the Arab conquest significantly?

For Middle Eastern city states, Tyre, Ur, Elam (if not a Persian city), Palmyra, and Akkad are all good cities. Babylon would be a good one depending on the time period. Ashur and Nineveh, unfortunately, wouldn't get represented any other way, but weren't really City-states (Ashur was in its early history, but their closer to capitals of Kingdoms and Empires than City-States). Damascus isn't a bad one because it has a long history (going into Medieval times). But it's also an important Arab city, so it'll probably get stuck under there (basically, if it can be put under a playable civ, it's better than an NPC city-state).
 
One possibility is that some city-states can only appear if the main civilization that they are also a part of is not in the game.

A provisional list of 27 (there will be many more, I assume): (...)

Note that many of these city-states actually controlled additional settlements and land. Venice, for instance, had a number of colonies.

Now 54 (dropped Paris though).

Abu Dhabi
Adelaide
Akkad
Athens
Babylon
Bremen
Brussels
Cahokia
Carthage

Chichen Itza
Cologne
Damascus
Danzig
Dubrovnik
Florence
Genoa
Granada
Great Zimbabwe

Hamburg
Hochelaga
Hong Kong
Ife
Jakarta
Jericho
Jerusalem
Kano
Kathmandu

Khotan
Kiev
Knossos
Lübeck
Mogadishu
Mombasa
Naha
Nice
Nikwasi

Novgorod
Palenque
Port-au-Prince
Riga
Samarkand
Sidon
Singapore
Sri Kestra
Teotihuacan

Tiahuanaco
Tikal
Troy
Tyre
Ur
Uruk
Utrecht
Venice
Zanzibar
 
about vatican discussion;
1st of all it shouldn't be in the game. if there is no religion in the game, then it should never be in the game.

2ndly, always religious side of vatican is mentioned and a very important part is forgotten. it is very rich and so it is a strong political figure. it is not a state in usual form.

anyway, i expect vatican not to be in the game. it will just be weird.
 
What's sad is if they made Taiwan or Tibet into city states then they probably wouldn't be able to sell the game in China. :(
 
I have not gone through all six pages, but I would try to include the capitals of smaller modern day countries, trading posts during the age of sailing, and of course, well known ancient cities. Here is my list:

Amsterdam
Dubai
Baghdad
Lisbon
Gibraltar
Cape Town
Damascus
Brussels
Addis Ababa
Troy
Gaul
Byblos
Tyre
Byzantion
Istanbul
Assur
Akkad
Babylon
Ctesiphon
Merv
Fes
Casablanca
Carthage
Tunis
Algiers
 
Vancover-For the Canada nation
Krakaw-Culture
Warsaw-Diplomacy
Vienna-Centralized gov...or maintanece bonus(Austria owned alot of land 1800s)
Sydney-either a naval bonus(it was an outpost for WW2) or culture
Singapore-fin bonus and was supposed to be a fortress city(WW2)
Islamabad-Population bonus/military bonus

just off the top of my head
 
If you are going to include an Italian city as a city state, it should be Florence, center of the Renaissance.
 
Jomsborg - a citystate where you can recruit Jomsvikings.
 
Vancover-For the Canada nation
Krakaw-Culture
Warsaw-Diplomacy
Vienna-Centralized gov...or maintanece bonus(Austria owned alot of land 1800s)
Sydney-either a naval bonus(it was an outpost for WW2) or culture
Singapore-fin bonus and was supposed to be a fortress city(WW2)
Islamabad-Population bonus/military bonus

just off the top of my head

Lol wut? No Canadian cities at all... actually, if they have RIo de Janerio, Montreal or Toronto (probably Toronto) should be before Vancouver.

Actually, Toronto is a native american name.. so yeah.
 
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