Civ 4 Civilizations

[Desertsnow]

Or, people keep calling that one European Civ which excelled all others in iron working for centuries (including the superior swords), delivered almost the entire salt for the Mediaterranen Civs since they also had advanced mining techs, and built the best carts in all of Europe (since those also had were of religious importance) Barbarians.

Yay, Barbarians! I wanna play Barbarians in Civ IV!

 

[Francophile]

Does anyone else think that putting the Inca in instead of the Babylonians is stupid? The Inca can wait until the expansion (Or the second one for that matter) in my opinion.

 

[Dolemitetornado]

Inca ahead of Babylon? Or at least SOMEONE to represent Mesopotamian civ?
(Assyrians and Sumerians would also be good, but all threes probably uneccessary), unquestionably. But still, Andean civilization did develop without the help of any outside power, as an utterly unique civ it deserves to be represented (and while the Incas may be dead, a distinct Andean indigenous idenity clearly isn't, go ask the millions of Bolivian Indians whose recent protests brought down the government for the second time in the last three years). I don't think any civ could be taken out, 18 or 19 is just too few, at least 3-4 more civs could be added without taking too much time or wrecking the potential profits from expansion packs.

 

[Left_Wing_Liber]

I am sorry if this has been mentioned already but it is a joke that the game does not includes the Jews/Israelites.

They are an ancient civlization which lasts to this day.

Sure they are not as big as the Persians, Romans or English but due to the pure fact they outlasted the Romans and so many other nations proves something.

They shud have a Civilization called the Israelites.

Their leader shud be King David.

Capital Jerusalem.

Special unit; Maccabee (shield and sword man)

Special ability; Settlements can be built on other peoples land.

 

[Left_Wing_Liber]

Native Australian.

For the sake of a good game you need to be the Aboringines.

They can not really be classed as a civ or as a people cos that is just a name for the natives of australia but it is annoying that Australia is empty.

You must have a civ which starts there at the beginning

 

[jimkirk]

hey if not for the dutch there wont be a New York and that includes wall street .. of course they had to go and then trade new amsterdam to the brits and change the name to new york and btw maybe brooklyn should be included ..heheheh we may not be a civ .. but with 2 million people population we have more peeps than most american cities by ourselves

 

[Reboot]

It's sad that there's no civ representing Mesopotamia, one of the earliest "cradles of civilization" as it were. But then again, I wouldn't wanna take any of the 18 out either.

If I had to take out one to put in Sumeria (well since I only have one, I might as well make it the more precedent... ), it would be the Mongols. But that we have nothing representing the tribes of Central Asia. Sigh. Guess we really can't have them all.

 

[Kyriakos]

I think that the jews could be in some x-pack. Mostly because they werent ever powerfull as their own state, an argument which has been mentioned before.

 

[Urederra]

I ask a question I asked before but I think nobody answered. Which city names would you pick for the jews? Are the actual cities of Israel actually founded by jews or they were founded by other civs? As far as I know, jews were nomads or they settled in other civs' countries and they don't found many cities, but I might be wrong.


I always found funny when playing with the Mayas (I think they were the mayas) and they found cities called Piedras Negras, Lagartero or Cuello, which are clearly spanish.

Yeah, it is also true that many american cities have spanish name (Las vegas, San Diego, Los Angeles, Palo Alto, Santa Fe, Alburquerque) but they are american now. What I do not understand is the spanish names of those Mayan cities.

 

[benjamin28]

Most of the names of the Mayans cities were never knew, because the Spanish burnt almost all the codices, books that told about history of this culture.
But they were so important that they cannot just ignore them 'cause they don't know the actual name.
See Machu Picchu. The name of the city was never knew by the Europeans. It was baptized with the name of a moutain. It means: "Old mountain".
I believe the Incas are really important: an excellent example of organization and power. They were much more important than the Iriquois, but Firaxis ignore them till "Conquests". Very strange to me.

 

[Hannabir]

I am sorry if this has been mentioned already but it is a joke that the game does not includes the Jews/Israelites.

They are an ancient civlization which lasts to this day.

Present-day Israel is, IMHO, not the same civilization as the ancient/classical Hebrews, just like Italy and Venice are not Rome.

 

[Hannabir]

I believe the Incas are really important: an excellent example of organization and power. They were much more important than the Iriquois.

'Organization and power' (which the Iroquois also had, btw) does not make a great civilization. They have to do something with it in order to deserve a high ranking.

 

[ogmoir]

I'd leave the Inca but leave out the Aztecs. Two pre-Columbian American civilisations is enough, and the Aztecs were important only for a short time, and much of their culture originated from the Maya and other civilisations in the region.

 

[Doc Tsiolkovski]

Most of the names of the Mayans cities were never knew, because the Spanish burnt almost all the codices, books that told about history of this culture.
But they were so important that they cannot just ignore them 'cause they don't know the actual name.
See Machu Picchu. The name of the city was never knew by the Europeans. It was baptized with the name of a moutain. It means: "Old mountain".
I believe the Incas are really important: an excellent example of organization and power. They were much more important than the Iriquois, but Firaxis ignore them till "Conquests". Very strange to me.

Not that strange. Customer-orientated. In the US, the Iros are quite famous for their inspiration to the constitution etc.
PCness, if you ask me. Nobody outside North America considers any NA tribe important enough to end in CIV.

The Incans OTOH are the very best choice for a pre-US American Civ to me as well.

And btw: Inca are no Mesoamerican Civ.

 

[sourboy]

I don't know why there is such a stir about the original Civs, since there will most definately be an expansion or two. The choices they made seen rather obvious, at least for the most part. The Mali is the only one I don't deem obvious, but than - it's nice to see some African representation.

The real question should be which ones are added in expansions. If they do more European & Middle Eastern Civs like in Civ3, I will be upset. A few more exotic tribes would be nice - one's that excelled long ago, and are all but forgotten. Otherwise it's back to modding (most of my C3C Civs are replaced).

 

[Hannabir]

Not that strange. Customer-orientated. In the US, the Iros are quite famous for their inspiration to the constitution etc.
PCness, if you ask me. Nobody outside North America considers any NA tribe important enough to end in CIV.

The Dutch do. The Iroquois were our allies.
Taught us a few things, too.

 

[yannoche]

The Dutch do. The Iroquois were our allies.
Taught us a few things, too.

My little self do too

 

[Polietileno]

(and while the Incas may be dead, a distinct Andean indigenous idenity clearly isn't, go ask the millions of Bolivian Indians whose recent protests brought down the government for the second time in the last three years)

The Bolivian are Aimaras, nos Quechuans, the rulers of the Incan Chiefdom (Calling them a Empire is not correct)
My Point in favor of the Incas is when the expand and built those wonder as Machu Picchu and Sacsayhuaman, the Europeans were still looking for the Holy Grial. I think the leftover civ is Spain. But I made a point on saying that It could be 20 instead of 18, adding Babylon and the Irouquies.

 

[yannoche]

Which city names would you pick for the jews?

Jericho, Jérusalem, Bethléem, Sabah, Canna..?

 

[King Alexander]

The truth is that, the Jews' religion has affected all the western world, one way or another, and there're people who feel that they should 'honorably' included in Civ.

btw: I'm not happy that Babylon is left out(?) as it seems. This is one of the very first civilizations with great achievements.