Civ 4 Civilizations

[Himalia]

Missing out Babylon makes no real sence at all. They are one of the ancient worlds big players. It would like be missing out England, America or Japan just to name a few from the modern era. Although i must say i like th idea of adding the Israelites.

 

[Left_Wing_Liber]

Present-day Israel is, IMHO, not the same civilization as the ancient/classical Hebrews, just like Italy and Venice are not Rome.

You are wrong on this.

The Jewish people are direct decendents of the Ancient Hebrews.

Today Jews still consider Abrahma, Isaac etc as their forefathers and the founder of their civ.

They still have the same religion, the language is the same (of course not exactly but much closer than Italian to Latin) and all in all are the the same civ as 3,000 years ago.

The state of israel ws destroyed and rebuilt but that is something else. The Ancient People of Israel still exist as a tribe/civ.

 

[rbis4rbb]

Native Australian.

For the sake of a good game you need to be the Aboringines.

They can not really be classed as a civ or as a people cos that is just a name for the natives of australia but it is annoying that Australia is empty.

You must have a civ which starts there at the beginning

Can you name an early Australian leader or two? What were their early militairy units? Sorry, but the aborigines should never be in Civ.

 

[Desertsnow]

Jericho, Jérusalem, Bethléem, Sabah, Canna..?

Haifa, Akka, Hebron, Capernaum . . . maybe someone can suggest more?

Maybe Jews/Hebrews/Israelites will be added in an expansion? Or maybe someone can program a mod?

 

[Akka]

Haifa, Akka, Hebron, Capernaum . . . maybe someone can suggest more?

What ? No, I'm not a city !


Just curious : where did you all get the list of civilizations ?
I really wish to get the confirmation that Greece is in. It's one of the very top civilizations that just CAN NOT be left out (right with China, Rome and Egypt), taking precedence over almost any other.

 

[SuperBeaverInc.]

I really wish to get the confirmation that Greece is in. It's one of the very top civilizations that just CAN NOT be left out (right with China, Rome and Egypt), taking precedence over almost any other.

Not really a confirmation, but someone in another thread(I can't remember who ) pointed out that in the bottom of this picture, you can see that the banner a unit is holding sort of looks like a hoplite helmet.

 

[Zenon_pt]

Thanks Doc T.!!!

 

[Simguyuk]

Can you name an early Australian leader or two? What were their early militairy units? Sorry, but the aborigines should never be in Civ.

Perhaps you could have the polynesians starting in the oceania? But I suppose they might pose the same problem.

 

[Crayton]

European Civs:
Germans
Slavs
Hellenes
Celts
Latina

Although profits would probably diminish if England, France, Russia, Germany, Spain, Rome, Greece, Portugal, Netherlands, Ottomans, Austrians, Poles, Belgians, and Moldavians did not have their own civs; I would vote on this simple division of European cultures. Any objections? (Probably)
Only, I don't know what to call the Latin Civ: Rome, Latina, North Mediterranea?

 

[SuperBeaverInc.]

Civilization is about individual civs, not culture groups.

 

[Superkrest]

thunderfall pointed out the hoplite helmet...i think hes a good source

 

[Crayton]

Europe is interesting because multiple nations fall under fewer cultures: German, Latin; but, civilizations like India, Persia, and even China represents multiple, successive cultures (i.e. Harapan, Aryan, Mauryan, Gupta, Delhi, Mughal, Raj, Modern...)
I apologize for being rash and presumably clumping civs together.
I was only looking into a secondary view of representing Europe, with a reduction in the number of European Civs.
My Mistake. I was thinking of conserving "world map" area and not the actual Civilization game.

 

[tirnaog]

Man this sucks. Sense I bought CIV3 and all the x-packs these guys are the ones I play the most often. Followed by the Romans and Americans.

Please bring these guys back!!!!!

 

[Himalia]

European Civs:
Germans
Slavs
Hellenes
Celts
Latina

Although profits would probably diminish if England, France, Russia, Germany, Spain, Rome, Greece, Portugal, Netherlands, Ottomans, Austrians, Poles, Belgians, and Moldavians did not have their own civs; I would vote on this simple division of European cultures. Any objections? (Probably)
Only, I don't know what to call the Latin Civ: Rome, Latina, North Mediterranea?

Its all very well that list but some of the countries you have ommited ar just as daft as missing out the USA when it comes down to covering North through to south America. By your own argument the USA would have to omitted and you cant do that they have had a major impact on the world even tho they are a relatively new civilization historically.

 

[Jaca]

Europe is interesting because multiple nations fall under fewer cultures: German, Latin; but, civilizations like India, Persia, and even China represents multiple, successive cultures (i.e. Harapan, Aryan, Mauryan, Gupta, Delhi, Mughal, Raj, Modern...)
I apologize for being rash and presumably clumping civs together.
I was only looking into a secondary view of representing Europe, with a reduction in the number of European Civs.
My Mistake. I was thinking of conserving "world map" area and not the actual Civilization game.

Crayton, I don't think you need to apologize. In fact, I find your suggestion more realistic then it may seem at first sight. It may all come down to what one calls a civilization. If you call it "the largest possible cultural entity" - to quote from Samuel Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations and the Remake of World Order" - realizing here some people may attack the book rather then the quote - then your suggestion makes sense. SuperBeaverInc's quote "Civilization is about individual civs, not culture groups." indicates he has a different opinion of what a civ is. I wonder though, how would the Chinese, the Indians, or say Latin-American people look at France or England, to name just two (nations?) here? Would they call them a 'civilization', just cultural subgroups or 'nations' from Europe? And by far most civs rise, change character and dissapear, so it's all pretty dynamic anyways, is'nt it, and so difficult enough to simulate in a game like CIV?!

At any rate, Firaxis' exercise in selecting 19 "most suitable" civs does not look so easy, in my opinion. The number of replies in this thread may add some proof to this.

Kind regards,
JaCa

 

[Hannabir]

In the eyes of China, India, USA, Japan, etc., Europe is a single civilization, albeit one with many tribes that can be played against each other.

 

[Kyriakos]

In the eyes of China, India, USA, Japan, etc., Europe is a single civilization, albeit one with many tribes that can be played against each other.

That isnt really true, besides at some time most of the rest of the world was controlled by those little tribal euro civs

 

[Himalia]

In the eyes of China, India, USA, Japan, etc., Europe is a single civilization, albeit one with many tribes that can be played against each other.

In that case then i guess USA does not count as a civilization really as they are only created from a load of little Europen tribes. Which of course it is wrong to say that the USA does not count as a civilization as much as it would be to say the same about many European countries in some cases more.

 

[Crayton]

Before Europeans Arrived in The New World, there were many cultures (many nomadic, like the Sioux or Iroquois) in North America, Aztecs in Central America, and Incas (Quechas?) in South America.
"Latin" and "German" settlers colonized the new world and, begining with the British Colonies and Haiti, began revolting.
This would be a genuine way of Incorporating The USA into the game, if Civil Wars are still slated to be in Civilization 4. Europe could divide itself and remerge under Charlemagne, Napoleon, Hitler, the EU; over and over again.
This may not be conducive to Global Domination; yet, the Mongol and British Empires are no longer so dominating (Of course China has ruled Earth's Middle Kingdom forever).
This is why I like the more ethnic/cultural division of civilizations and to allow the military and civics of Civilization 4 to create segregated countries.

 

[alireza1354]

KURDS

For they are a great people, and nowadays.. the largest ethnic group without a land.. for now..