Civ 4 Civilizations

[Himalia]

Thats a good point you make but many nations would get eliminated by that rule. Although America may not have been around for as long as many other nations, historically they have had a major impact in there relitively speaking short life. Also commercially not a very sound idea.

 

[DrMadd]

True, but it would be interesting. Plus as america you could have the confederate states.

 

[ThePersian]

Now that the game can be started in any time period it would be a good idea to keep the Civs in their respected times.

For example you can no longer have the Zulu in the Industrial era but have the americans kinda thing.

I dont know, i kinda like having Civs play out of their time. It brings an intristing what-if element to the game.

 

[Crayton]

The games can start in any time period. Add more civilizations but still allow only 18 civs for any particular start period. For Example:
Start from scratch: 1.Shang (China), 2.Harrapa (India), 3.Sumer (Mesopotamia)...18
Start with 50% Techs: 1.England, 2.Aztecs, 3.Mali... 18

Of course civs have ranges for starting.
Aztecs: 40%-65%
England: 38%-80% assuming of course there is a Great Britain civ

EDIT: The Zulu reached their height under Shaka c.1800

 

[DrMadd]

That might work.

 

[akbil]

How about Ottomans ??? They ruled at 3 continents (namely Asia-Europe-Africa) 600 years. Of course most of the people underestimate them as Firaxis does. No matter; if this "which civilization should or must exist" geek is to be made, then Ottomans surely be at top 3. Those people can underestimate, but they have to live with this reality.

Regards.

 

[DrMadd]

I like the Ottomans. I use them often. I certainly hope they're in Civ4.

 

[mitsho]

I'm sorry, but the Ottomans/Turks will only be in the first expansion pack of civIV (likely). It's a sad decision but it has already been decided...

mitsho

 

[moggydave]

Scottland, Wales, England, Ireland... (don't you think you are being a bit too english centered?)

dont u mean BRITISH centred

Certainly any irish, scottish or welsh (mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi) person would be disgraced to be known as english

the english should be the brittish and be based on the industrial (1800's) era the whole modern world would be 200 hundred years backwars if it wern for inventors and enginneers like talbot, telford, stevenson (robert and george), brunel, tull etc

 

[moggydave]

about the ottomans, they are kinda represented by the arabs, as is the whole of arab civilisation i think, even though historically they were different empires at different times

 

[Marla_Singer]

Arabs and Ottomans are very distinct civilizations culturally and linguistically wise. Considering that Ottomans are represented by Arabs is a bit like considering Germany is represented with Britain.

 

[Himalia]

The Arabs have clearly had an influence on the Ottamans but yes they simply are not the same.

 

[Desertsnow]

I'm still not sure if Civ 4 will be my cuppa, but there's certainly room for more civs in expansions, including Ottomans and many others that have been discussed.

P.S.: Welcome, akbil!

 

[antaine]

I think the point was missed quite some time ago in civ selection. Somewhere along the line, the concept of a civilization became confused with that of the nation-state. The US is a sticky one, because it is a recent development, yet one which has had a near-unprecedented impact on the world. As such I think it's worth considering it as an exception.

The game begins several millennia BC, and each civ is expected to develop things like writing and bronze working etc and create great wonders of the world. We need to reach back into human history to find the civilizations that are still with us today and gave rise to the myriad nation-states we have in our modern world. I'm thinking the list should run something like this:

EUROPEAN
Greeks
Romans
Celts (no Irish? especially with missionaries now being part of the game...)
Slavs
Germans
if you really want to get picky you can deliniate
English (or British, though I'd consider Scots and Welsh 'Celts')
French
Spanish
even though all are the product of germanic invasions of celtic peoples under long-term roman rule
*Americans (USA) - more European than 'American' in the sense of indigenous civilizations of the Americas

AFRICAN
Egypt
Zulu
Benin (west Africa)
Ethopia

AMERICAN
Aztec
Inca
Olmec
Like Africa, while there were other civilizations (eg - distinct art, language, way of life) nothing of the scope that is typical of a Civ civilization (great monument building, world affecting, leaving behind a literature, conquering etc etc etc)

ASIAN
Mesopotamian
Persian
Arab
Indian
Chinese (through all of its manifestations...again, we do cover 6000 years here)
Mongolian
Japanese
Cambodian

that makes for 24 if all are included...you could even have an open slot (to make 25) so borderline civs such as Scandinavians or Phoenicians could be added...

 

[DrMadd]

Actually I think that's about right. They share many of the same traditions and cultural icons. To say otherwise would be to differentiate between the Japanese and The Ainu./

 

[ScottishAdam05]

Well I know that the Celts are in 1 edition of Civ 3, "play the world" I think. I would be happy going the Celts, knowing they represent Scotland, aswell as Ireland and Wales. We would be Militirastic and Religious. Very agressive fighting people. As usual fighting anyone who annoys us. Were also peace loving people who would happily trade with most countries. Elite unit should be the Highland Clansman. Very tough and fast infantry of the ancient era, would easily kill a normal swordsman. Scotland should be in Civilization, without a dought. But I suppose the Celtic civ is the next best thing, just have to go them. Mon the Scots!

 

[Drakan]

How about Ottomans ??? They ruled at 3 continents (namely Asia-Europe-Africa) 600 years. Of course most of the people underestimate them as Firaxis does. No matter; if this "which civilization should or must exist" geek is to be made, then Ottomans surely be at top 3. Those people can underestimate, but they have to live with this reality.

Regards.

Don't worry, the Ottomans will come up in the first expansion pack for Civ IV. I like playing with my Sipahi.

 

[DrMadd]

And We of British descent would agree. Part of the fun of Civ is what might have been, and for that, It would be cool to look into a Celtic modern world.

 

[Truronian]

The problem with the Celts as a civilization is that they were never a civilization. This is even evident in the Civ series (Civ 2 concentrated on the Celts of Great Britain while Civ 3 concentrated on the Europeans). While at times they have been relatively united, they, for the most part, were seperate bickering clans.

I personally would prefer to see the Australians or Brazilians in Civ, as the only modern civ we have at the moment is really America. Or as an alternative to Celts, maybe Scotland

 

[DrMadd]

I believe the Historical Brennus would beg to differ, and by the same token, that could disqualify both the Vikings and the Mongols, both of which are just too much fun to play. I can do without the Brazilians, and frankly, Australia is still part of the British Empire, technically speaking. If you're going that route, then have this scenario:

Europe
Greco-romans
Germanics
Celts

Asia
Chin
Huns
Dravidians

Middle East
Semites
Kurds
Arabs

America
Mesoamericans
Plains tribes
Woodlands tribes

Africa
Sub-saharan
Berber
East African

Much too vague