Civ 4 complete on steam for $10, one day only

[bjbrains]

Ripoff is maybe the wrong word for it, but it's still missleading for the customer.
By crying "It's cheap! Now! For one day! Buy it!", you'll seduce people to buy it now, because it's cheap and you'll probably will not get it tomorrow again.
By crying it every day, you'll just get more of the uninformed users to buy a game.
And do you not feel mocked when you hear "It's cheap! Now! For one day! Buy it!" every day? I do.

It's *not* misleading. How steam conducts sales isn't some kind of secret, everchanging thing, and I fail to see how giving a final opportunity for people to take advantage of a sale is a bad thing. Again, all they're saying is that the game is on sale today, and that it's cheaper than its usual price.

 

[Commander Bello]

So unless your reply to this very reasonable explanation is "Yes 12agnar0k I understand now I was wrong and you all have my applogies, How could I of been so silly to think Steam offering me a very good sale twice could be classified as a rip-off." I will be forced for ever more to refer to you as Commander Creationistlike Bello.

What will be next?
Calling me a heretic, a bloody heathen?

Are you already collecting wood for the funeral pile?

 

[12agnar0k]

Bloody Heathen and Heretic are Religious words to describe other Religious People. I am not religious so no I shall not. Thanks for the advice anyway

@TheJ, I wouldn't call it misleading, I would call it nothing other than "Advertising" all shops do it, and they say when this particular deal runs out, they don't give you a list of all future deals they will ever make in the future of thier company because they haven't probably made any of these decisions other than current deals and the deals to come within the next few days or weeks. If your a customer all you need to know is what deals are on now and when they end, you don't need to know although it may be helpful to you, to know if the deal will be repeated in the future so you can wait to buy it. But they have no obligation to tell you if they have even decided. When you see Buy one get one free at Tesco's which ends this week, you don't go to the counter and demand to know if you would be able to get that Item next month instead of this month with the same offer, not unless you want to be thought of as a crazy person. You simply take the offer given, unless your tight like one of my freinds youll try to get an already reduced price from the lowest price brand reduced even further when at the till o.0.

The only way you can feel hard done by as a consumer in my opinion (some peoples opinions may have them feeling hard done by for any number of futile reasons) is if you buy something at a certain price, and then notice a little later that from a different distributor or in some cases the same distributor say in a sale the next day that the product your brought could have been obtained for a considerable discount. But this is not anyones fault than your own. Window shopping is key to finding a bargain, although unpredictable sales can mix up where and what is cheaper but thiers nothing that can be done about that unless you wait for sales to come to you. Which is easy on Steam, having the store on your desktop means you don't have to go down to the shop each day to see what sales are on.

 

[PieceOfMind]

"Ripoff" is a very subjective term and it really can't be used in discussion of 'facts'. Really, both Bello and agnarok are entitled to each of their opinions of what steam sales represent, but neither are more correct than the other.

If civ4 has taught me anything, it's that "everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it". Something is only a ripoff if it costs more (perhaps substantially more) than what a purchaser would pay for it. With this in mind, it would be rare for someone to purchase something they believed was a ripoff unless they're under coercion or some other influencing force/s. However they might be disturbed by the fact that other people could conceivably pay that much for it.

agnarok did make a good point that it's the customer's responsibility to not get ripped off.

I'd imagine that most people would feel at least a slight discomfort when they purchase a product that someone later explains is a ripoff.

 

[12agnar0k]

I might be considered being too picky, but Rip-Off is defined simply as "Paying too much for a product / Paying more than a products worth / or indeed, / Paying more than you would want too (more than you think its worth), It's only subjective within these confines, for example you can't call something a rip off because its blue not yellow, this isn't in the confines of the subjectiveness of the subject. Unless you placed it in said confines I.e I got ripped off becaused this Blue Spade has a lesser monetary value to me than the Yellow which I wanted and cost the same price.

So if Com. Bello was arguing one of these points I coudn't dispute his view, because a rip-off can be a matter of opinion, I may think £5 is a good price and thus not a Rip-off, where as he could think it should cost £1 and thus is a Rip-off.
However, this is not what he is arguing. He is arguing that Steam is ripping-off people by offering the same sale twice in a week when each lasting 24 hours, this sale reducing the price substantially, he isn't stating that the price is a rip-off, in my opinion this would be wrong as its the cheapest deal i've ever seen for a brand new Civ4/warlords/bts/colonisation pack, but if his opinion was that it should cost less then it would be classified as a rip-off in his opinion.
But no his opinion is that by offering a deal where by people can buy at a lower price than anywhere else, (opposite of a rip-off, this is a bargain) is fine but, when it is offered twice in one week for two 24 hour periods giving off an impression thats it a temporary deal, a point i've already discussed from your last post, his opinion that this is a rip-off, which you disagreed with calling it "misleading" which I argued further to classify it simply as "Advertising" no different than in any other shop and certainly not a rip-off by any definition.

We're all welcome to our opinions, and ofcourse to express them freely... to an extent. Yes everyone would feel a little peeved if they pay more for something than they could have, some more than others. Recently I saw a deal on steam £10 or a game, didnt pay attention to end time of the deal, downloaded a demo and played it extensively for a few hours decided I wanted it, went to buy it and the sale had ended and the price was doubled. Though I really wanted the full version after having a taste so I paid full price at £20. I was a little annoyed but just shrugged off the extra cost, pretended I never had that £10 in the first place. Turns out after a day the game crashes too much during battles for my liking (I really don't like it when games are released that don't work properly) and well also a gew mechanics mainly not getting to choose a proper character to start with, always get the same useless guy, I decided after playing it for half a day I didnt like it much at all and now I'm not even considering playing it ever again, and well now i'm starting to notice the £20 missing a bit more, but now I just have to pretend I didn't have the £20 to start with :/. Note this wasn't a Steam fault, my fault and the game sucked a bit (developers fault).