Civ Quiz I

[Matthew5117]

Ah, the terrain's there for a reason!

 

[JujuLautre]

I don't see how. Since combat promos are, in a way, multiplicative when attacking, you should consider the strongest unit attacking the weakest one. And I do not know any circumstances in which the attacker's terrain give any bonus.

A hint perhaps ?

 

[bippukt]

Again, people are assuming that you have to attack. I don't see any reason for not including defence - you can get the max difference between strenghts there because of the way that the odds are calculated.

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

The warrior attacks a woody2, guerilla 2, combat6 , shock mech... and loose?
edit: doesn't a scout give better results? (defending)

 

[Airefuego]

i guess the mech inf with Combat 6, City Raider 3, shock, woodsman 3 (gives forest attack bonus), attacks a scout in a no-culture no-walls desert city.

No idea of the figures sorry. I never fight wars past riflemen so I don't know the numbers

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

attacking removes 175% :forest (50)+woody 2 (50) +hills (25) +guerrilla 2 (50) and gains 75% (CR3)... not sure it's the good solution as all these bonus are applied to the warrior in both case (I speak of warrior because Matthew did so I guess it's the answer, I didn't make the math with a scout defending).

 

[JujuLautre]

Mech inf attacking: 32*1.75 against 2/2.1 (factor 58.8)
MA attacking: 40*1.75 against 2/1.85 (factor 64.75)
warrior attacking Mech inf: 2 against 32*3.35 (factor 53.6) (you forgot 0.5 of amphibious attack RRRaskolnikov )
warrior attacking MA: 2 against 40*3.1 (factor 62)
MI attacking scout: 32*1.75 against 1/1.75 (factor 98)
MA attacking scout: 40*1.75 against 1/1.75 (factor 122.5)

I did not factor in any possible bonus against barbarian that I would not know about

My answer would then be: a Modern Armour with city raider 1/2/3 and combat 1/2/3/4/5/6 attacking a scout in city without any defence. 70 (40*1.75) against 0.57 (1/1.75), for a factor of 122.5

 

[Airefuego]

^^ i agree RRraskolnikov.

but if the warrior is attacking, it should be attacking out of a boat to weaken it further... and apparently 'the terrain is there for a reason'...

Edit: ah i see i was close but Juju's answer looks better. I forgot modern armor...

i am interested to see why matthew put Warrior not scout...

 

[RRRaskolnikov]

Tx for actually calculating it Juju I guess you take the award...

 

[alhimik]

warrior attacking MA: 2 against 40*3.1 (factor 62)

I'm curious as to where all this bonus comes from. Modern Armor doesn't get defensive bonuses IIRC.
So it can have Combat, Shock and what else?

 

[Matthew5117]

Ah, your rights guys, it should be a scout, not a warrior.

Anyways, I didn't see any whole values so I am assuming there were no differences. I couldn't understand some of the questions, so if anyone got this answer, he/she gets it. If not, someone else ask a question because its been 24 hours (well almost).

Answer:
Mechanized Infantry vs. Scout
MI-> Shock (25) , WIII (50), GIII (50), Combat VI (75), CRIII (75): 88

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Armoured units can't get woodsman or guerilla though...

 

[JujuLautre]

I'm curious as to where all this bonus comes from. Modern Armor doesn't get defensive bonuses IIRC.
So it can have Combat, Shock and what else?

My mistake, I forgot MA do not get defensive bonuses. Just forget that line.

Ah, your rights guys, it should be a scout, not a warrior.

Anyways, I didn't see any whole values so I am assuming there were no differences. I couldn't understand some of the questions, so if anyone got this answer, he/she gets it. If not, someone else ask a question because its been 24 hours (well almost).

Answer:
Mechanized Infantry vs. Scout
MI-> Shock (25) , WIII (50), GIII (50), Combat VI (75), CRIII (75): 88

The scout cannot attack, so WIII (woodsmanIII ? ) and GIII (Guerilla III ?), which are both used on defence, are irrelevant. Also, I could be wrong, but a scout is a reco unit: does shock apply to it? I believe not.

This would make 32*1.75 (from combat) against 1/1.75 (from city raider), so 56 against 0.57: factor 98.

I really don't know where you get your 88 from could you elaborate ?

 

[Matthew5117]

@ParadigmShifter
Mechanized Infantry is a gunpowder unit, not an armoured unit.

@JejeLautre
Ah... the Mechanized Infantry is the one attacking, scout is just sleeping on a city placed on a desert. The MI is on a hill that is forested. The 88 is the difference between the strength.

Full workout:
MI-> Shock (25) , WIII (50), GIII (50), Combat VI (75), CRIII (75)= 275
32*2.75=88
Well, actually the difference is 87 (88-scout's strength (1))

Edit: Shock doesn't work against Recon Units but it does for Warriors, thus, Shock cancels out the Warrior's special ability of +25% in cities. So either a Warrior or a Scout works.

Edit 2: My answer is wrong sorry, if the MI is on defense and the warrior is attacking (same terrains), the WIII and GIII outweighs the CRIII.

So instead:
32*3=96-(1-.25% (attacking across river))=95.25 is the right answer

Just a reminder, anyone can ask the next question. No one got mine.

 

[JujuLautre]

Once again, the WIII and GIII promotions do not work if the MI attacks. And the way you apply combat and CR promotions the same way in your 275 bonus is just wrong: Combat promotions of the attacker are applied to itself, while other combat modifiers are applied to the defender.

Good point on the +25 bonus in cities of the warrior though, completely forgot that.

Let's just forget that and go on as you said, I'm just sick of making calculations

 

[Matthew5117]

I may have not applied the Combat and CR promotions correctly (since I didn't know) but WIII gives +50% attack on forests and jungles and GIII gives +50% attack on hills, WI, WII, GI and GII don't give any advantage in attacking but it leads to WIII and GIII.

But anyways, I am too sick of calculations.

 

[BakingTheArt]

WIII and GIII only work if the enemy is on a forest.

Anyway -

I'll go:

Here you see a picture of the burgeoning American Empire. Now, I forgot to take this pic before that road was there, and Washington's borders expanded, but there is still a good question to pose - why did these two cities have a trade route between them before the road was started or the borders touched. Remember, this is Warlords, so although I don't have sailing, river/lake trade is enabled, and river sources count as full fledged rivers.

EDIT: Just some clarification - for example, those two hills NW of Washington have river access, even though the source is the only part touching them. I believe that was ended in BTS, right?

 

[Sciguy001]

Easy, the road conects to the river were they go up the river onto the lake portage onto the next lake go down the other river to reach New York.

 

[BTSFanRandy]

The hill connects the river, thus connecting the cities through river?

 

[Ramesses]

Trade routes along the coast can still exist before Sailing if the coast is within cultural borders. So before the recent cultural border pop, the trade route went along the coast within Washington's borders, up the Washington river, through the two neighboring lakes, and up the New York river to connect to New York.