Civ Unique Ability Elimination Thread

[BenitoChavez]

Australia should be at 22, whoever posts next.

 

[Leucarum]

I think the Aztecs have a point more than they should from ceydezed's post onwards...

 

[Weraptor]

America - Founding Fathers: 20
Arabia - The Last Prophet: 20
Australia - Land Down Under: 22
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 21
Brazil - Amazon: 17
Canada - Four Faces of Peace: 21
China - Dynastic Cycle: 20
Cree - Nihithaw: 21
Egypt - Iteru: 21
England - Workshop of the World: 20
France - Grand Tour: 14
Georgia - Strength In Unity: 17
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 20
Greece - Plato's Republic: 20
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube: 21
Inca - Mit'a: 20
India - Dharma: 11
Indonesia - Great Nusantara: 20
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 21
Khmer - Grand Barays: 17
Kongo - Nkisi: 20
Korea - Three Kingdoms: 11
Macedon - Hellenestic Fusion: 16
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 21
Maori - Mana: 21
Mapuche - Toqui: 17
Mongolia - Ortoo: 20 + 1 = 21 Love the historical abstraction as well as gameplay effect, although easily counterable.
Netherlands - Grote Riverien: 20
Norway - Knarr: 17 - 3 = 14 Its advantages for Norway are easily outperformed by Maori and Phoenicia.
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 20
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 17
Persia - Satrapies: 20
Phoenicia - Mediterranean Colonies: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 20
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 20
Russia - Mother Russia: 21
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 22
Scythia - People of the Steppe: 20
Spain - Treasure Fleet: 17
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 20
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 20
Zulu - Isibongo: 20

 

[BarbarianHunter]

America - Founding Fathers: 20
Arabia - The Last Prophet: 20
Australia - Land Down Under: 22
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 21
Brazil - Amazon: 17
Canada - Four Faces of Peace: 21
China - Dynastic Cycle: 20
Cree - Nihithaw: 21
Egypt - Iteru: 21
England - Workshop of the World: 20
France - Grand Tour: 14
Georgia - Strength In Unity: 17
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 20
Greece - Plato's Republic: 21 (20+1) --- Beginning with a cheap religion, over the course of a game this really adds up.
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube: 21
Inca - Mit'a: 20
India - Dharma: 8 (11-3) --- Need to downvote this before it's too late.
Indonesia - Great Nusantara: 20
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 21
Khmer - Grand Barays: 17
Kongo - Nkisi: 20
Korea - Three Kingdoms: 11
Macedon - Hellenestic Fusion: 16
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 21
Maori - Mana: 21
Mapuche - Toqui: 17
Mongolia - Ortoo: 21
Netherlands - Grote Riverien: 20
Norway - Knarr: 14
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 20
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 17
Persia - Satrapies: 20
Phoenicia - Mediterranean Colonies: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 20
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 20
Russia - Mother Russia: 21
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 22
Scythia - People of the Steppe: 20
Spain - Treasure Fleet: 17
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 20
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 20
Zulu - Isibongo: 20

 

[Navelgazer]

America - Founding Fathers: 20
Arabia - The Last Prophet: 20
Australia - Land Down Under: 22
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 21
Brazil - Amazon: 17
Canada - Four Faces of Peace: 21
China - Dynastic Cycle: 20
Cree - Nihithaw: 21
Egypt - Iteru: 21
England - Workshop of the World: 20
France - Grand Tour: 14
Georgia - Strength In Unity: 17
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 20
Greece - Plato's Republic: 21
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube: 21
Inca - Mit'a: 20
India - Dharma: 5 (8 - 3) Just sit back and wait for maybe minor bonuses you didn't choose to possibly come your way if the AI feels like it! The amenities and Missionary charges are nice but not nearly enough.
Indonesia - Great Nusantara: 20
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 21
Khmer - Grand Barays: 17
Kongo - Nkisi: 20
Korea - Three Kingdoms: 11
Macedon - Hellenestic Fusion: 16
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 21
Maori - Mana: 21
Mapuche - Toqui: 17
Mongolia - Ortoo: 21
Netherlands - Grote Riverien: 20
Norway - Knarr: 14
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 20
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 17
Persia - Satrapies: 20
Phoenicia - Mediterranean Colonies: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 20
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 20
Russia - Mother Russia: 21
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23 (22 + 1) So good they had to make the rest of the Scottish design nearly useless!
Scythia - People of the Steppe: 20
Spain - Treasure Fleet: 17
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 20
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 20
Zulu - Isibongo: 20

 

[Architect]

America - Founding Fathers: 20
Arabia - The Last Prophet: 20
Australia - Land Down Under: 22
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 21
Brazil - Amazon: 17
Canada - Four Faces of Peace: 21
China - Dynastic Cycle: 20
Cree - Nihithaw: 21
Egypt - Iteru: 21
England - Workshop of the World: 20
France - Grand Tour: 14
Georgia - Strength In Unity: 17
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 20
Greece - Plato's Republic: 21
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube: 21
Inca - Mit'a: 20
India - Dharma: 5
Indonesia - Great Nusantara: 20
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 21
Khmer - Grand Barays: 17
Kongo - Nkisi: 20
Korea - Three Kingdoms: 11
Macedon - Hellenestic Fusion: 17 (16 + 1) So much free culture and science.
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 21
Maori - Mana: 21
Mapuche - Toqui: 14 (17-3) +10 against GA is very good when it works but very situational. With experience capping that bonus is not that great.
Mongolia - Ortoo: 21
Netherlands - Grote Riverien: 20
Norway - Knarr: 14
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 20
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 17
Persia - Satrapies: 20
Phoenicia - Mediterranean Colonies: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 20
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 20
Russia - Mother Russia: 21
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Spain - Treasure Fleet: 17
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 20
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 20
Zulu - Isibongo: 20

 

[kryat]

America - Founding Fathers: 20
Arabia - The Last Prophet: 17 (20-3) An incentive to not build holy sites. It can be a nice peace of mind, but it incentivizes shooting yourself in the foot
Australia - Land Down Under: 22
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 21
Brazil - Amazon: 17
Canada - Four Faces of Peace: 21
China - Dynastic Cycle: 20
Cree - Nihithaw: 21
Egypt - Iteru: 21
England - Workshop of the World: 20
France - Grand Tour: 14
Georgia - Strength In Unity: 17
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 20
Greece - Plato's Republic: 21
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube: 21
Inca - Mit'a: 20
India - Dharma: 5
Indonesia - Great Nusantara: 20
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 21
Khmer - Grand Barays: 17
Kongo - Nkisi: 20
Korea - Three Kingdoms: 11
Macedon - Hellenestic Fusion: 17
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 21
Maori - Mana: 21
Mapuche - Toqui: 14
Mongolia - Ortoo: 21
Netherlands - Grote Riverien: 21 (20+1) Bonuses to adjacency, bonuses to building, and a few extra free tiles is just delightful
Norway - Knarr: 14
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 20
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 17
Persia - Satrapies: 20
Phoenicia - Mediterranean Colonies: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 20
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 20
Russia - Mother Russia: 21
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Spain - Treasure Fleet: 17
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 20
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 20
Zulu - Isibongo: 20

 

[Icicle]

America - Founding Fathers: 20
Arabia - The Last Prophet: 17
Australia - Land Down Under: 23 (22+1) let's start this party off with a vote for some of the strongest stuff in the game!
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 21
Brazil - Amazon: 17
Canada - Four Faces of Peace: 21
China - Dynastic Cycle: 20
Cree - Nihithaw: 21
Egypt - Iteru: 21
England - Workshop of the World: 20
France - Grand Tour: 14
Georgia - Strength In Unity: 17
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 20
Greece - Plato's Republic: 21
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube: 21
Inca - Mit'a: 20
India - Dharma: 5
Indonesia - Great Nusantara: 20
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 21
Khmer - Grand Barays: 17
Kongo - Nkisi: 20
Korea - Three Kingdoms: 11
Macedon - Hellenestic Fusion: 14 (17-3) If my army is strong enough to take your cities, I don't need your science and culture.
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 21
Maori - Mana: 21
Mapuche - Toqui: 14
Mongolia - Ortoo: 21
Netherlands - Grote Riverien: 21
Norway - Knarr: 14
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 20
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 17
Persia - Satrapies: 20
Phoenicia - Mediterranean Colonies: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 20
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 20
Russia - Mother Russia: 21
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Spain - Treasure Fleet: 17
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 20
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 20
Zulu - Isibongo: 20

 

[Aurelesk]

America - Founding Fathers: 20
Arabia - The Last Prophet: 17
Australia - Land Down Under: 23
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 21
Brazil - Amazon: 17
Canada - Four Faces of Peace: 21
China - Dynastic Cycle: 20
Cree - Nihithaw: 21
Egypt - Iteru: 21
England - Workshop of the World: 20
France - Grand Tour: 11 (14 - 3): The bonus production is not bad nor great but most cultural wonder won't get the bonuses (Apadana, Great Library, Golden Gate Bride, Broadway, Cristo Redentor, Eiffel Tower and Sydney Opera House) nor the key early wonder (Oracle, Pyramids, and the Colosseum). As long Wonders yield so little Tourism (so: getting twice of it is still rather low) and being culturally dominated not being a threat yet, the whole mechanic "building wonder for Cultural victory" isn't working. Hopefully, France's leaders are really fun to play.
Georgia - Strength In Unity: 17
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 20
Greece - Plato's Republic: 21
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube: 21
Inca - Mit'a: 20
India - Dharma: 5
Indonesia - Great Nusantara: 20
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 21
Khmer - Grand Barays: 17
Kongo - Nkisi: 21 (20 + 1): Even though the Writings lost half of their Tourism, Nkisi is still a very powerful (but specific) ability, mainly created to compensate Mvemba a Nzinga ability (which is mostly a malus). The Archaeological Museums are incredible, even if they are not available at the beginning of the game: the additionnal yields from the ability are doubled when themed! Furthermore, I like a lot the bonus toward Merchant generation and, with the Oracle / Pangala trick, this is going even crazier.
Korea - Three Kingdoms: 11
Macedon - Hellenestic Fusion: 14
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 21
Maori - Mana: 21
Mapuche - Toqui: 14
Mongolia - Ortoo: 21
Netherlands - Grote Riverien: 21
Norway - Knarr: 14
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 20
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 17
Persia - Satrapies: 20
Phoenicia - Mediterranean Colonies: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 20
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 20
Russia - Mother Russia: 21
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Spain - Treasure Fleet: 17
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 20
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 20
Zulu - Isibongo: 20[/QUOTE]

 

[Vizurok]

America - Founding Fathers: 20
Arabia - The Last Prophet: 17
Australia - Land Down Under: 23
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 21
Brazil - Amazon: 17 - 3 = 14. Yay, I am chopping away my adjacencies as I am progressing in the game!
Canada - Four Faces of Peace: 21
China - Dynastic Cycle: 20
Cree - Nihithaw: 21
Egypt - Iteru: 21
England - Workshop of the World: 20
France - Grand Tour: 11
Georgia - Strength In Unity: 17
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 20
Greece - Plato's Republic: 21+1 = 22. Having that extra slot in the early game is so valuable! It's such a pleasure being able to slot in both God-King and Urban Planning at Code of Laws - I am able to race for Religious Settlements while also having a production boost!
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube: 21
Inca - Mit'a: 20
India - Dharma: 5
Indonesia - Great Nusantara: 20
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 21
Khmer - Grand Barays: 17
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Korea - Three Kingdoms: 11
Macedon - Hellenestic Fusion: 14
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 21
Maori - Mana: 21
Mapuche - Toqui: 14
Mongolia - Ortoo: 21
Netherlands - Grote Riverien: 21
Norway - Knarr: 14
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 20
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 17
Persia - Satrapies: 20
Phoenicia - Mediterranean Colonies: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 20
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 20
Russia - Mother Russia: 21
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Spain - Treasure Fleet: 17
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 20
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 20
Zulu - Isibongo: 20

 

[JacquesChabrac]

America - Founding Fathers: 20
Arabia - The Last Prophet: 17
Australia - Land Down Under: 23
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 21
Brazil - Amazon: 14
Canada - Four Faces of Peace: 21
China - Dynastic Cycle: 20
Cree - Nihithaw: 21
Egypt - Iteru: 21
England - Workshop of the World: 20
France - Grand Tour: 11
Georgia - Strength In Unity: 17
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 20
Greece - Plato's Republic: 22
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube: 21
Inca - Mit'a: 21 (20+1) Working Mountains is a completely unique bonus, and can help you make those tall Incan cities even more productive by finding something to do for every citizen.
India - Dharma: 5
Indonesia - Great Nusantara: 20
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 21
Khmer - Grand Barays: 17
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Korea - Three Kingdoms: 11
Macedon - Hellenestic Fusion: 14
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 21
Maori - Mana: 21
Mapuche - Toqui: 14
Mongolia - Ortoo: 21
Netherlands - Grote Riverien: 21
Norway - Knarr: 14
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 20
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 17
Persia - Satrapies: 20
Phoenicia - Mediterranean Colonies: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 20
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 20
Russia - Mother Russia: 21
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Spain - Treasure Fleet: 14 (17-3) Not enough effect to make Spain into an economic powerhouse. The gold bonus for international trade routes only comes through in the midgame. Naval warfare, sadly, is too inconsequential.
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 20
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 20
Zulu - Isibongo: 20

 

[Kwami]

America - Founding Fathers: 20
Arabia - The Last Prophet: 17
Australia - Land Down Under: 23
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 21
Brazil - Amazon: 14 + 1 = 15 (I'm not sure why you're all chopping the rain forests when you play as Brazil. Keep them for the adjacency bonuses, then build lumber mills!)
Canada - Four Faces of Peace: 21
China - Dynastic Cycle: 20
Cree - Nihithaw: 21
Egypt - Iteru: 21
England - Workshop of the World: 20
France - Grand Tour: 11
Georgia - Strength In Unity: 17
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 20
Greece - Plato's Republic: 22
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube: 21
Inca - Mit'a: 21
India - Dharma: 5
Indonesia - Great Nusantara: 20
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 21
Khmer - Grand Barays: 17 - 3 = 14 (Not all cities will have aqueducts, and the bonuses are small, anyway.)
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Korea - Three Kingdoms: 11
Macedon - Hellenestic Fusion: 14
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 21
Maori - Mana: 21
Mapuche - Toqui: 14
Mongolia - Ortoo: 21
Netherlands - Grote Riverien: 21
Norway - Knarr: 14
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 20
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 17
Persia - Satrapies: 20
Phoenicia - Mediterranean Colonies: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 20
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 20
Russia - Mother Russia: 21
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Spain - Treasure Fleet: 14
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 20
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 20
Zulu - Isibongo: 20

 

[Beaver79]

America - Founding Fathers: 20
Arabia - The Last Prophet: 17
Australia - Land Down Under: 23
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 21
Brazil - Amazon: 15
Canada - Four Faces of Peace: 21
China - Dynastic Cycle: 20
Cree - Nihithaw: 21
Egypt - Iteru: 21
England - Workshop of the World: 20
France - Grand Tour: 11
Georgia - Strength In Unity: 17
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 20
Greece - Plato's Republic: 22
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube: 21
Inca - Mit'a: 21
India - Dharma: 5
Indonesia - Great Nusantara: 20
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 21
Khmer - Grand Barays: 14
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Korea - Three Kingdoms: 11
Macedon - Hellenestic Fusion: 15 = 14 + 1 It's been a long time since I've played Macedon, but if you are warmongering for a dom victory on a regular size map you are taking 20+ cities. On a large 40+ and a huge 60+. If you want to play peaceful you should be picking a different civ. Every city you take after the first half of the ancient era will have at least one of a campus/encampment/holy site/theater square. 20/40/60 free eurekas is weak?
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 21
Maori - Mana: 21
Mapuche - Toqui: 14
Mongolia - Ortoo: 21
Netherlands - Grote Riverien: 21
Norway - Knarr: 14
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 20
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 17
Persia - Satrapies: 17 = 20 - 3 If I want gold and culture from my trade routes I'll just send them to a city state and get way more than +2 and +1
Phoenicia - Mediterranean Colonies: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 20
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 20
Russia - Mother Russia: 21
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Spain - Treasure Fleet: 14
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 20
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 20
Zulu - Isibongo: 20

 

[DWilson]

America - Founding Fathers: 20
Arabia - The Last Prophet: 17
Australia - Land Down Under: 23
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 21
Brazil - Amazon: 15
Canada - Four Faces of Peace: 21
China - Dynastic Cycle: 20
Cree - Nihithaw: 21
Egypt - Iteru: 21
England - Workshop of the World: 20
France - Grand Tour: 11
Georgia - Strength In Unity: 17
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 20
Greece - Plato's Republic: 22
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube: 21
Inca - Mit'a: 21
India - Dharma: 5
Indonesia - Great Nusantara: 20
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 21
Khmer - Grand Barays: 11 (14-3) The Khmer is a great example of how not to do a civ well, unfortunately. They get bonuses that essentially take districts and make them unique, without the added bonuses of being unique districts (era score and build costs). This is notable in the leader UA, but that's not why I am downvoting them. Instead, I am focusing on how their Grand Barays ability is essentially a unique aqueduct, which is not a great start, a relatively mild bonus (3 faith and an amenity for the district, food to surrounding farm tiles) in a game where population is weak, that costs the full price and doesn't give you era score. While this got a buff with population being tied into loyalty in Rise and Fall, it's not a very large one. For an ability meant to represent impressive infrastructure works that showed the incredible innovation and abilities of the Khmer, this is a fairly lame tribute. I was hoping with the infrastructure aspects of gathering storm this would be revamped to effect other things like dams and canals (also centered around water works like Barays themselves), but alas, no.
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Korea - Three Kingdoms: 11
Macedon - Hellenestic Fusion: 15
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 21
Maori - Mana: 21
Mapuche - Toqui: 14
Mongolia - Ortoo: 21
Netherlands - Grote Riverien: 21
Norway - Knarr: 14
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 20
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 18 (17+1) This has a combination of two useful bonuses. First, it makes your siege units a valuable set, as they are cheaper to build and yet also better at doing their jobs. These bonuses are on par with some of the weaker unique units, but apply to all of your siege weapons. Nice! The second bonus, however, is even more significant. Typically, unless you are conquering early on, when you conquer a lot of cities, the process of doing so essentially destroys the cities, leaving them much weaker than they would have been for your enemies. For the Ottomans, much of this does not apply, as they do not destroy any of the population, and get a boost to loyalty and amenities to further strengthen stability. This is truly an insane warmongering change, and allows flexibility. Want to capture all of your enemy's cities and have them instantly integrate? Go for it. Want to grab their edge cities, and be able to get them loyalty stable more easily? You got it boss. Want to only capture key population cities, then let loyalty do the test of the job? Let the good times roll!
Persia - Satrapies: 17
Phoenicia - Mediterranean Colonies: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 20
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 20
Russia - Mother Russia: 21
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Spain - Treasure Fleet: 14
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 20
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 20
Zulu - Isibongo: 20

 

[WillowBrook]

America - Founding Fathers: 20
Arabia - The Last Prophet: 17
Australia - Land Down Under: 24 (23+1) those appeal bonuses are so strong
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 21
Brazil - Amazon: 15
Canada - Four Faces of Peace: 21
China - Dynastic Cycle: 20
Cree - Nihithaw: 21
Egypt - Iteru: 21
England - Workshop of the World: 20
France - Grand Tour: 8 (11-3) nice bonus, but meh compared to pretty much every other civ ability
Georgia - Strength In Unity: 17
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 20
Greece - Plato's Republic: 22
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube: 21
Inca - Mit'a: 21
India - Dharma: 5
Indonesia - Great Nusantara: 20
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 21
Khmer - Grand Barays: 11
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Korea - Three Kingdoms: 11
Macedon - Hellenestic Fusion: 15
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 21
Maori - Mana: 21
Mapuche - Toqui: 14
Mongolia - Ortoo: 21
Netherlands - Grote Riverien: 21
Norway - Knarr: 14
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 20
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 18
Persia - Satrapies: 17
Phoenicia - Mediterranean Colonies: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 20
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 20
Russia - Mother Russia: 21
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Spain - Treasure Fleet: 14
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 20
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 20
Zulu - Isibongo: 20

 

[lotrmith]

America - Founding Fathers: 20
Arabia - The Last Prophet: 17
Australia - Land Down Under: 24
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 21
Brazil - Amazon: 15
Canada - Four Faces of Peace: 21
China - Dynastic Cycle: 20
Cree - Nihithaw: 21
Egypt - Iteru: 21
England - Workshop of the World: 20
France - Grand Tour: 8
Georgia - Strength In Unity: 18 = 17 + 1 = This is not a thread for downvoting civs. This ability helps you chain golden ages, which is powerful and doesn't deserve downvotes yet.
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 20
Greece - Plato's Republic: 22
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube: 21
Inca - Mit'a: 21
India - Dharma: 5
Indonesia - Great Nusantara: 20
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 21
Khmer - Grand Barays: 11
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Korea - Three Kingdoms: 11
Macedon - Hellenestic Fusion: 12 = 15 - 3 Yes, random inspirations are weak. Ever pop a goodie hut for an inspiration you would have earned two turns later? Ever pass on an inspiration Scientist? Ever get an inspiration for a tech you couldn't care less about?
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 21
Maori - Mana: 21
Mapuche - Toqui: 14
Mongolia - Ortoo: 21
Netherlands - Grote Riverien: 21
Norway - Knarr: 14
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 20
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 18
Persia - Satrapies: 17
Phoenicia - Mediterranean Colonies: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 20
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 20
Russia - Mother Russia: 21
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Spain - Treasure Fleet: 14
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 20
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 20
Zulu - Isibongo: 20

 

[Pure24]

America - Founding Fathers: 20
Arabia - The Last Prophet: 17
Australia - Land Down Under: 24
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 21
Brazil - Amazon: 15
Canada - Four Faces of Peace: 21
China - Dynastic Cycle: 20
Cree - Nihithaw: 21
Egypt - Iteru: 21
England - Workshop of the World: 17 (20 - 3). My goodness this ability is a mess! And not a bad ability per se, just that its bonuses are neither that unique (basically boil down to 'more of what everybody else has') nor that useful considering that as any civ it ends up being equally consequential, except England just gets an advantage by having more of it (that is, if you do not have access to strategic resources you do not benefit at all whether you're England or not, and if you have access to strategic resources every civ benefits, not just England). Yeah, long post, but that's what you get for being Workshop of the World. The additional engineer charges are pretty cool, though
France - Grand Tour: 8
Georgia - Strength In Unity: 18
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 21 (20 + 1). My voting pattern will loosely try to compare civs according to similar capabilities (e.g. religious reasons in the same vote, rather than spread out). Anyways, being able to build more than one district is quite powerful! Especially because you need those sweet production adjacencies with the Hansa and CH. And since CH give you trade routes too, it is better than a flat +20% production towards Industrial Zone BUILDINGS
Greece - Plato's Republic: 22
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube: 21
Inca - Mit'a: 21
India - Dharma: 5
Indonesia - Great Nusantara: 20
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 21
Khmer - Grand Barays: 11
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Korea - Three Kingdoms: 11
Macedon - Hellenestic Fusion: 12
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 21
Maori - Mana: 21
Mapuche - Toqui: 14
Mongolia - Ortoo: 21
Netherlands - Grote Riverien: 21
Norway - Knarr: 14
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 20
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 18
Persia - Satrapies: 17
Phoenicia - Mediterranean Colonies: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 20
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 20
Russia - Mother Russia: 21
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Spain - Treasure Fleet: 14
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 20
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 20
Zulu - Isibongo: 20

 

[Kmart_Elvis]

Edited to update to New scores added while I was still posting. Accurate now.


America - Founding Fathers: 20
Arabia - The Last Prophet: 17
Australia - Land Down Under: 24
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 21
Brazil - Amazon: 15
Canada - Four Faces of Peace: 21
China - Dynastic Cycle: 20
Cree - Nihithaw: 21
Egypt - Iteru: 21
England - Workshop of the World: 17
France - Grand Tour: 8
Georgia - Strength In Unity: 18
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 21
Greece - Plato's Republic: 22
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube: 21
Inca - Mit'a: 21
India - Dharma: 6 (5+1) This got last place in the last elimination game, but doesn't deserve that spot this time around. You now get a follower belief and an amenity for each foreign religion. This works really well if you're playing Chandy and go on the warpath. You'll end up conquering a city with like, 3 religions in it, giving you 3 free amenities. This ability can also be strongly leveraged by NOT going for a religion and just letting the AI target you for conversion. The +2 for missionaries is also underrated. You get more for your faith; it essentially is equal to 40% cheaper missionaries when compare them to non-India missionaries.
Indonesia - Great Nusantara: 20
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 21
Khmer - Grand Barays: 8 (11-3) This is on the other hand, gets my vote for weakest civ ability. Just doesn't have that impact that other abilities give.
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Korea - Three Kingdoms: 11
Macedon - Hellenestic Fusion: 12
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 21
Maori - Mana: 21
Mapuche - Toqui: 14
Mongolia - Ortoo: 21
Netherlands - Grote Riverien: 21
Norway - Knarr: 14
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 20
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 18
Persia - Satrapies: 17
Phoenicia - Mediterranean Colonies: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 20
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 20
Russia - Mother Russia: 21
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Spain - Treasure Fleet: 14
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 20
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 20
Zulu - Isibongo: 20

 

[_Calyx]

America - Founding Fathers: 20
Arabia - The Last Prophet: 14 (17-3) I feel like this ability incentivizes you to not pursue religion, but then you end up with a pretty weak one. Perhaps I simply don't know how to leverage it well, but so far I've been very underwhelmed by the ability.
Australia - Land Down Under: 24
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 22 (21+1) The ability to rush districts via builders is fantastic and immensely helpful throughout the entire game, right up to spaceport construction.
Brazil - Amazon: 15
Canada - Four Faces of Peace: 21
China - Dynastic Cycle: 20
Cree - Nihithaw: 21
Egypt - Iteru: 21
England - Workshop of the World: 17
France - Grand Tour: 8
Georgia - Strength In Unity: 18
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 21
Greece - Plato's Republic: 22
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube: 21
Inca - Mit'a: 21
India - Dharma: 6
Indonesia - Great Nusantara: 20
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 21
Khmer - Grand Barays: 8
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Korea - Three Kingdoms: 11
Macedon - Hellenestic Fusion: 12
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 21
Maori - Mana: 21
Mapuche - Toqui: 14
Mongolia - Ortoo: 21
Netherlands - Grote Riverien: 21
Norway - Knarr: 14
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 20
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 18
Persia - Satrapies: 17
Phoenicia - Mediterranean Colonies: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 20
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 20
Russia - Mother Russia: 21
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Spain - Treasure Fleet: 14
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 20
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 20
Zulu - Isibongo: 20

 

[Troy Bruckner]

America - Founding Fathers: 20
Arabia - The Last Prophet: 14 (17-3) I feel like this ability incentivizes you to not pursue religion, but then you end up with a pretty weak one. Perhaps I simply don't know how to leverage it well, but so far I've been very underwhelmed by the ability.
Australia - Land Down Under: 24
Aztec - Legend of the Five Suns: 23 (22+1) The ability to rush districts via builders is fantastic and immensely helpful throughout the entire game, right up through spaceport construction. The bonus to a unit's attack based on the number of luxuries worked in your empire is also huge.
Brazil - Amazon: 15
Canada - Four Faces of Peace: 21
China - Dynastic Cycle:20
Cree - Nihithaw: 21
Egypt - Iteru: 21
England - Workshop of the World: 17
France - Grand Tour: 8
Georgia - Strength In Unity: 18
Germany - Free Imperial Cities: 21
Greece - Plato's Republic: 22
Hungary - Pearl of the Danube: 21
Inca - Mit'a: 21
India - Dharma: 3 (6 - 3) Doesn't seem to add much at all.
Indonesia - Great Nusantara: 20
Japan - Meiji Restoration: 21
Khmer - Grand Barays: 8
Kongo - Nkisi: 21
Korea - Three Kingdoms: 11
Macedon - Hellenestic Fusion: 12
Mali - Songs of the Jeli: 21
Maori - Mana: 21
Mapuche - Toqui: 14
Mongolia - Ortoo: 21
Netherlands - Grote Riverien: 21
Norway - Knarr: 14
Nubia - Ta-Seti: 20
The Ottomans - Great Turkish Bombard: 18
Persia - Satrapies: 17
Phoenicia - Mediterranean Colonies: 20
Poland - Golden Liberty: 20
Rome - All Roads Lead To Rome: 20
Russia - Mother Russia: 21
Scotland - Scottish Enlightenment: 23
Spain - Treasure Fleet: 14
Sumeria - Epic Quest: 20
Sweden - Nobel Prize: 20
Zulu - Isibongo: 20