Civ V Civilizations Roster

[villagelder]

After much talk of diversity and representation I have amended my previous list:

Americas: 4
USA
Aztec
Incan
Maya

Europe: 6
Britain
France
Germany
Rome
Greece
Russia (and Asia, I know)

Near East & Africa: 4
Arab
Persia
Egypt
Carthage

Far East: 3
China
Korea
Japan

Oceania: 1
Polynesia

Remeber, the developers are going to use civs that fit best, not only into the core game, but also into their roles in scenarios. Of course, this leaves a lot of viable civs out, so they will have to wait for my expansions:

Exp 1: Barbarians!: 8
Viking
Mongol
Zulu
Celtic (or Gaul)
Scythian
Visigoth
Vandals
Hunnic

Exp 2: Mercantile: 9
Portugal
Spain
Dutch
Mali
Ottoman
India
Byzantine
Majapahit
Phoenician

Exp 3: Lost Civilizations: 8
Sumeria
Nubian
Babylon
Hittite
Olmec
Khmer
Pueblo
Aborigine

Anyway, this is all terribly pointless since we are not actually designing the game, nevertheless fun to talk about.

 

[Double A]

Isreal, or Nubia.

A Jewish civ would be cool... they've been represented in most periods throughout history. Maybe they could be a city state or something if they are considered not influential enough?

 

[MotezumaMan]

Maybe Austrailan Aboriginies? or Just Australia? Or maybe Canada.

 

[MotezumaMan]

perhaps El Cid, but he is "only" Spain's national hero and never its ruler

Well what about Ghandi, he was never the leader of india, he just freed them from british rule.

 

[climat]

Almost same with villagelder's List except Maya & Korea.
1 for Middle/South Africa - Mali/Ethiopia/Zulu
1 for India

For expansion : I want to see Mexico or Brazil but it's just my dream
Other than that, Mongol, Scandinavian, Maya, one of Native Americans, one of Babylon/Sumer/Akkad/Assiria/Hittie etc.,
one of Khmer/Siam/Vietnam/Indonesia, Austria-Hungary and Turkey or Turk.

EDIT - How could I forget India..

 

[kroket]

Really excited to see Civ5 being announced. The age old discussion which civs should be in seems to be the most important discussion again so here is my 2 (or 18) cents:

Since i am Dutch i d love to see the Dutch included in the coregame but in all honesty there have been far more important Civs. Including the Dutch in an expansion is fine by me.

As for the roster of 18 first of all i have to say i don't understand why it is 18 again. Given the heated discussions on these forums concerning the civs to include Firaxis could have spared themselves some trouble by going 20 + 10 + 10 = 40 civs in vanilla + expansions. This would allow space for Poland, Austria, Brazil and Israel which are generally the most wanted missing civs.

The 18 civs to be included in my opinion are largely the same as everyone elses.

First of all i think the 8 most important nations of all time should be in ergo America, China, Russia, Rome, Egypt, Persia, Spain and England. Ofcourse one could make a point for Greece, India or France but still. Those 3 will be in too ofcourse.
Aztecs will be in given the jaguar, i like most other people prefer the Maya over the Aztecs, Monty and co are perfect for an expansion. They could even call it the 'lunatics' or 'conquerors' or 'warriors' expansion and include Shaka Hannibal etc. Similar to Civ4 really. So Aztec makes it 12. They will include either Maya or Inca. Given the publicity surrounding the Mayans lately they might actually beat the Incas here. That's 13. Germany is also in and rightly so i dare say.
The last ones are a bit more difficult. Arabians will probably be in and so will the Japanese. Mongols should be in too so that leaves 1 spots open. Babylon/Sumer or Mali/Ethiopia/Zulu will end the list. They are basically 1 nation short. Last time they ditched Babylon in favour of the Malinese. Interesting to see what they do this time around. We kinda miss the surpise nation here. If they could go to 20 they could add Babylon + Mali + a surprise like Siam or Brazil or Korea.

So the list is
America
Arabia
Azteca
(Babylon)
China
Egypt
England
France
Germany
Greece
India
Japan
(Mali)
Maya
Persia
Rome
Russia
Spain
* Brazil
* Siam
* Korea

Basically when looking at the 34 civ from Civ4 3 should not be back in my opinion, the HRE should be replace by Austria(Hungary) and Siam could replace Khmer. Native America is just the most ridicilous 'civ' around. China isn't called East Asia either right? Iroqouis or however you spell it seems preferable. Furthermore Vikings could be renamed to Sweden. This leaves 6 spots open if there are 40 civs. Poland(Lithuania) deserves a place and Brazil will also get in i think. I do applaude the idea of an Oceanice/Polynesian civ they should be represented somehow i think. That leaves 3 spots open. Load of possibilties. Hittites/Assyrians for Middle-East might be a possibility too. Scythia/Sarmathia seems intruiging to me. Final spot might be Phoenicia or Indonesia or whatever maybe even Israel. Really i am having some difficulties coming up with 40 viable civs so if they just expand to 40 instead of 34 they will create much less of a fuss imo.
Finally all civs should have 2 leaders right off the bat so that you can actually chose who to play and you can play a civ in multiple ways. Don't like Stalin or Mao play Catherine or Qin.
All in all i am excited to see what they come up with (as a surpise)!!

 

[fantsu]

I hope they include some imaginary civilizations/rulers too, like klingons, and maybe king arthur.

Because this game is going to be more like CIV rev, than civ4.

 

[Arakhor]

Well what about Ghandi, he was never the leader of india, he just freed them from british rule.

Gandhi was incredibly important in the formation of modern India and was instrumental in the end of the Raj. If anyone from India deserves to be in, he certainly does.

 

[Koning]

Just because it's fun: my list

18 core civs, and two balanced expansions packs of 10 civs

Western Hemisphere:
America
Aztec
Inca
Maya (EXP1)
Iroquis (EXP2)

East Asia
China
India
Mongolia
Japan
Korea (EXP1)
Majapahit/Srivijaya (EXP1)
Khmer/Siam/Thai (EXP2)
Vietnam (EXP2)

Middle East
Arabs
Persia
Ottoman (EXP1)
Babylon (EXP1)
Assyria (EXP2)

Classical Mediterranean
Egypt
Rome
Greece
Carthago or Phoenicia (EXP1)
Byzantines (EXP2)

Sub-Saharan Africa
Ethiopia
Mali (EXP1)
Kongo or Benin (EXP1)
Zimbabwe or Zulu (EXP2)

Europe
England
France
Russia
Germany
Spain
Austria (EXP1)
Vikings (EXP1)
Netherlands (EXP2)
Portugal (EXP2)
Celts (EXP2)
Poland (EXP2)

Makes 38 civs in total. Hope some "new" civs are ultimately chosen, like the Indonesian Majapahit or Srivijaya Empire, Austria or Assyria.

 

[mitsho]

Congratulations, this is a very good list, there will most probably be some totally new civ. I would though rather read the non bold civs as potentials of which you left a few away like the Civ-stables
Sumeria, Hittites, Sioux/Native Americans and I would not totally dicscount some modern nations like Australia/Canada, Thailand or Brazil (which for example could very well replace Portugal, whereas "South Africa" does a worse job with the Dutch ;-)).

 

[climat]

Good list, Koning.

 

[Arakhor]

I like that list too, as it happens, but I'm not sure that we'll get both the Aztecs and the Incas in the base game.

 

[Pikkis]

@Koning: A good and realistic list IMO. Also, I'm glad for your support for Assyria.

 

[Tavenier]

I haven't read about it anywhere, but what if they decide to do something radically different? Maybe you won't be able to stick to one leader. Maybe there will be a leader in each stage (4000 - 500ad, 500 - 1500, 1500 - 1800, 1800 - 2100). Maybe some Civs can be renamed. Something like Goths, Prussians, Germans. Or Gauls, Franks, French? I know, I know, because of migrations most of them are not the same people, but they did inherit the realms from the others.

I doubt they will do something like this, but it would be something completely new compared to the previous 4 Civs.

 

[Öjevind Lång]

if you put in hitler, the game cant sell in Germany.

If they put in Hitler, I won't buy it. Period. I don't want to own a game that every Nazi admirer in the world will rush off to buy.

 

[Öjevind Lång]

Likely choices are Ferdinand & Isabella, Charles V & I, General Franco and perhaps El Cid, but he is "only" Spain's national hero and never its ruler

I'm still rooting for Alfonso the Wise of Castile, who, unlike most Spanish rulers, was not a fanatic. If they can have Frederick of Prussia as a German leader and Boudica of the Iceni as leader of "Celtia", and for that matter Churchill of Great Britain as an English leader, I really don't see why Alfonso can't represent Spain.

 

[Arakhor]

Ferdinand and Isabella were the marriage that united Aragon and Castille, so I agree with you

 

[eireksten]

Furthermore Vikings could be renamed to Sweden.

Preposterous!

First of all, Sweden wasn't unified as a country until the middle ages, which is later than the Viking ages. Second, I see no reason why norwegian and danish vikings are less important than the swedes.

If they should call the vikings something else, I'd vote for Scandinavia...

 

[Öjevind Lång]

Preposterous!

First of all, Sweden wasn't unified as a country until the middle ages, which is later than the Viking ages. Second, I see no reason why norwegian and danish vikings are less important than the swedes.

If they should call the vikings something else, I'd vote for Scandinavia...

I agree about calling the generic civilization Scandinavia. But as a factual point, let me say that Sweden was a unified realm during the Viking Age, even if the territory it controlled was much smaller than later on.

 

[Koning]

I haven't read about it anywhere, but what if they decide to do something radically different? Maybe you won't be able to stick to one leader. Maybe there will be a leader in each stage (4000 - 500ad, 500 - 1500, 1500 - 1800, 1800 - 2100). Maybe some Civs can be renamed. Something like Goths, Prussians, Germans. Or Gauls, Franks, French? I know, I know, because of migrations most of them are not the same people, but they did inherit the realms from the others.

I doubt they will do something like this, but it would be something completely new compared to the previous 4 Civs.

Would be a very interesting idea, but not implementable for all civs. Celts/Romans/Goths/Arabs -> Castillia-> Spain?
Germanic tribes/Celts/Franks/Frisians-> Dutch?
Germanic tribes/Celts/Normans/Frisians ->English?