Civs that should be in an expansion

[slothman]

"Erupoe"!!! I think it's the most mmiissssssppeelleedd word in the history of this forum!!

Antarctica is not a very valid continent. It has no permanent inhabitants.

Well it wouldn't be that good but it would still be funny.
For the "fake" list it would work well though.
I always like spelling Europe like that because once I saw it that way, Googled it, and found like 5 instances.
I am trying to create more results for it.

 

[puglover]

VIKINGS! Too easy. I hope I can learn to make custom civs sometime.

 

[Chayton]

Since the Romans killed Jesus

Not quiet true, while the Romans put him onto the cross, it was only because the jewish demanded it, the romans had led him go. Now it depends on who you see as killer, the person who does it or the person who commands/demands/wish it.

 

[Jimbo30]

Invented the adhesive postage stamp

Invented the hollow-pipe drainage system

Invented the breech loading rifle

Invented the reflecting telescope

Developed the process of covering roads with small broken stones (Tarmacadam)

Invented the threshing machine

Developed the concept of logarithms and invented the decimal point!

Holds the World land speed record

Founded the Bank of England!

Pioneered the use of chloroform in anaesthetics

Invented the iron plough

Developed the first steam powered marine engine

Invented the vulcanised rubber pneumatic tyre, patented the fountain pen and patented the steam traction engine

Developed RADAR

Invented the television

Discovered penicillin

Invented the telephone

Developed the process of refining oil

Invented the kaleidoscope

Invented the vacuum flask

Invented the reaping machine, which led to the combine harvester

Developed the concept of latent heat and discovered Carbon Dioxide

Pioneered hypnosis

Invented the two-stroke Clerk Cycle Gas Engine

Developed the use of tubular steel in construction

Invented the percussion cap which later became the bullet

Invented coal-gas lighting

Invented the blackboard and colored chalk

Inventor of the ATM

Created the World time zones

Invented the hypodermic needle

Helped to discover insulin

Created the process of criminal fingerprinting

Invented the ultrasound scanner

Cloned the first Mammal

And this is mostly just science/invention of the past 200 years. Hell we wouldn't even be having this poll if it wasn't for us inventing the TV and the Telephone. How can a nation responsible for some of the greatest scientific achievements of the industrial-modern era be completely overlooked so often? No wonder we're so pissed!

Let's play 'guess the civ that should be in this poll, but isn't'.

 

[Chayton]

Your talking now about Jewish people or about Israel? As for me Jew is not Israel . Would be the same as would you say that Christ/katholic is Italy.

 

[mitsho]

1. I judge the materialistic point of view as a better one, and thus, all these personal achievements do not count for the inclusion of a civ (because if it weren't for a Scot to having invented it, someone other would have done it).

2. If we take a look at historical political reality, we see that the Scots at that time were incorporated heavily into the British Empire (more than the Irish for example ... ), thus, it's hardly distinguishable if they are Brits or Scots...

3. Best Solution: Redo the English civ in a way that Elizabeth represents England (regarding city lists and so on) and Victoria represents Britain (basically (!) England + Scotland).

mitsho

PS: But the Scots are only a unique civilization, if around 40 or 50 civs are in the game. There are just so many other civs further up the list than them.

 

[Jimbo30]

1. I judge the materialistic point of view as a better one, and thus, all these personal achievements do not count for the inclusion of a civ (because if it weren't for a Scot to having invented it, someone other would have done it).

Yes of course that is true...but us inventing it first means we are so much further down the line nowadays than we might otherwise be. It's a bit like saying Iceland would eventually develop nukes by itself if nobody else had...but like at what point in the 2200's?

2. If we take a look at historical political reality, we see that the Scots at that time were incorporated heavily into the British Empire (more than the Irish for example ... ), thus, it's hardly distinguishable if they are Brits or Scots...

Yeah....somebody tell firaxis then so we can boot out the English and get a British civ instead

PS: But the Scots are only a unique civilization, if around 40 or 50 civs are in the game. There are just so many other civs further up the list than them.

To that I'd have to say..."Show us what you've got". I'm quite happy to list my own countries achievements, either scientifically, culturally or whatever. Let's see what the others on this list have to offer and we can compare.

 

[Puzzlinon]

And, once again, then: A Viking is a warrior going berserk. The civ would be called Scandinavia.

Not necessarily. The term "Viking" refers to the peoples from whom those raiders were drawn.

In the older stuff like the Orkneying saga, it was the pastime of sailing around the coasts looking for opportunities; the boys would go out "a-viking" for the summer, and that meant sailing around harassing villages and extorting protection. The Norse warriors in their rages were called berzerkers; the common generic term for the culture that spawned them, and spent several centuries extracting wealth from the northeast-European coasts, is Viking.

Scandinavia is a geographic-based term; it originates as the general region and gradually comes to be applied to the peoples. So it's really a matter of taste. I like the choice of "Viking" because it names a way of life as well as a people. (Would you be happier calling the Aztecs the Mexicans? It's a bit like that distinction; the Aztecs were one of the cultures that dominated that area for a long time.)

 

[mitsho]

It's not only about what the others got more. These achievements are one point, there are many others, like for example, geographical parity, cultural influence or "being (too) near to another culture". Scotland for example is in a very crowded area and pretty near the Celts and England, so they are somewow already represented, and we need to let the Poles, Hungarians and Bulgarians take a step forward, although they are in the same 'crowded area'.
Additionally, since we are talking of official expansion, etc. ,you need to think also of the economical aspect of the game. Why do we get Korea pretty fast, and also the Vikings (who - I'm sorry, I'm overextending the example a bit - could basically be represented by seafaring barbarians)? The Netherlands and Portugal are another example. (but that has practically no influence regarding the Scots, just wanted to mention it )

But of course, everything is subjective here, and I also would like to see a Switzerland civ, but it's just not going to happen (in an official expansion - Else, just do the mod and everyone's gonna use it...

mitsho

 

[Yanez]

No other nation in the new world deserves a spot for the expansion except for maybe a native american tribe. I go for the Dutch, Portugal, The Vikings, Korean , Babaylonians and Byzantine. These have all had a world impact. Im South American , and i have to admit no other nation in the new world deserves aspot, USA does because they are the #1 world power now and tell me which country ISNT affected by it, hell, ur in an american site talking about an american game.

 

[King Ash]

The Vikings were more then simple barbarians pillaging stuff. Their decendants eventually had their impact on Euro history. Part of the English population still has nordic genes. Normandy in France is named after the norsemen who settled there. Iceland and Greenland (possibly other north-american islands) were discovered by them. They were present in all major European trading routes including Kiev in modern Ukraine. The Varangian guard which was the personal bodyguard of Byzantines emperors consisted mainly of Vikings.
You could say the norsemen were as much merchants and settlers as they were raiders.

That said their impact was mainly regional, which is why the Dutch and Portugese should be in an expansion sooner then Vikings or Polish. The first two changed European society from a regional-based society to an international minded society. While the latter 2 were important only as regional players if you look at it objectively...

 

[p dandy]

I think they should add a unique unit per race but they might run into trouble balancing a civ like Aztecs that might have a distinct battle advantage if given 2 ancient era units. But still I want to go in that direction if given the choice between this or adding 6 civs.

I also want them to flesh out the UN stuff. I like the things they added but there should be more stuff to do.

 

[Mirc]

Best thing they could do is add 15 civs and 2 leaders for every civ. What's this, civs with 1 leader, civs with 2 leaders, it's not too well organized.

 

[stormuzo]

Hmm.. vikings and the EU aren't/weren't really nations you know

 

[ThePunisher]

So what would the EU capital be?

Brussels? Special ability could be inflated expense claims?

 

[ThePunisher]

This is absolutely absurd and I'm sick of reading post after post about how the US shouldn't be in the game.

In terms of cultural, scientific & industrial impact I can't see a country more deserving of being in the game, after all the US is the world's only hyper power and will not only be written about an eon from now but will probably still exist (providing humans do) and will probably still be powerful...

PS Nice comment pointing out the life span of other civs!

 

[Mirc]

Cultural???????
Us??????????????
You are strange, man.

 

[ThePunisher]

Invented the adhesive postage stamp
Invented the hollow-pipe drainage system
Invented the breech loading rifle
Invented the reflecting telescope
Developed the process of covering roads with small broken stones (Tarmacadam)
Invented the threshing machine
Developed the concept of logarithms and invented the decimal point!
Holds the World land speed record
Founded the Bank of England!
Pioneered the use of chloroform in anaesthetics
Invented the iron plough
Developed the first steam powered marine engine
Invented the vulcanised rubber pneumatic tyre, patented the fountain pen and patented the steam traction engine
Developed RADAR
Invented the television
Discovered penicillin
Invented the telephone
Developed the process of refining oil
Invented the kaleidoscope
Invented the vacuum flask
Invented the reaping machine, which led to the combine harvester
Developed the concept of latent heat and discovered Carbon Dioxide
Pioneered hypnosis
Invented the two-stroke Clerk Cycle Gas Engine
Developed the use of tubular steel in construction
Invented the percussion cap which later became the bullet
Invented coal-gas lighting
Invented the blackboard and colored chalk
Inventor of the ATM
Created the World time zones
Invented the hypodermic needle
Helped to discover insulin
Created the process of criminal fingerprinting
Invented the ultrasound scanner
Cloned the first Mammal
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Can I just add inventor of the deep fried Mars bar/pizza, that hogmany rubbish on TV at New Year, The Proclaimers and proud culativators of the worst levels of heart disease in western europe?

 

[ThePunisher]

Cultural???????
Us??????????????
You are strange, man.

Tell me somewhere where there isn't a MacDonald's, people who say 'cool', US sportswear brands or endless repeats of US TV shows?

 

[lord_graywolfe]

well my 2 cents, babalyon, celts, carthage, ottoman,or bzintine and just to add something new i think the aussies should be in. we just dont have civs from the south pacific. id love to see the scots in too but they would have to change the cities of england to do that. i look at it this way, its not what the civ did in history but what they could of done if things had gone differently . heck england may have fallen to the scots and today it would all be scotland. we dont need civs that occupied the same area though, which is why i think it should be ottoman or byzintine. i voted for byzintine myself.