Code of Laws Proposal (complete replacement)

Methos said:
This is my biggest concern as well. Why bring this to a vote if you plan on leaving? It doesn't matter if you plan on returning or not. I mean no offense, but it appears selfish.

Things to appear to be working better and the kinks are being ironed out. Surely you realize Strider that if your proposal does pass it too will require many months for the kinks to be ironed out. It would be extremely wrong for you to get this proposal voted in and than remove yourself from the game leaving the rest of us to iron out those kinks.

Whoa... whoa. Your acting like this proposal is going to get voted in by myself, and just myself. This proposal was merely a small collection of articles, and was built and modified from suggestions from many of the demogame citizens.

Do I really appear to hold so much sway over this game? Do my words and ideas really appear to be so strong that there could be no opposition?

I owe it to those who helped me put the CoL together to put it forward to the people. The people, in the end, will decide if the CoL will pass or not. If you do oppose it, then voting against so would achieve your purpose.
 
Strider said:
Whoa... whoa. Your acting like this proposal is going to get voted in by myself, and just myself.

Considering to pass this proposal it requires a 60% yes vote, I don’t see how you could even consider the above.

Strider said:
Do I really appear to hold so much sway over this game? Do my words and ideas really appear to be so strong that there could be no opposition?

My concern is that you are pushing certain things only to remove yourself from the game. This IMO appears selfish, again no offense.

Strider said:
The people, in the end, will decide if the CoL will pass or not. If you do oppose it, then voting against so would achieve your purpose.

Originally I was considering voting for this, but I’m beginning to lose interest due to your decision to remove yourself. I would be more inclined to vote “Yes” knowing full well you intended to stay and help iron out any problems.

Yes it obviously requires the backing of the citizens, or at least 60% of them. I just wish you’d stick around to help has everything out. I’m not attacking you, just stating my views. Currently, I’m losing interest in this due to its founder removing himself/herself.

Edit: As people know text doesn't portray emotion very well, so please read the above as a discussion, not an argument. I in no way am trying to be argumentive or disrespectful. Just discussing my views.
 
Methos said:
Originally I was considering voting for this, but I’m beginning to lose interest due to your decision to remove yourself. I would be more inclined to vote “Yes” knowing full well you intended to stay and help iron out any problems.

Yes it obviously requires the backing of the citizens, or at least 60% of them. I just wish you’d stick around to help has everything out. I’m not attacking you, just stating my views. Currently, I’m losing interest in this due to its founder removing himself/herself.

Edit: As people know text doesn't portray emotion very well, so please read the above as a discussion, not an argument. I in no way am trying to be argumentive or disrespectful. Just discussing my views.

As I've already said, I am not going to just "disappear." I just really need to severely cut down on my partcipation. My life, right now, is very turbulant. I've put alot of effort into the demogame, mainly hoping to keep myself occupied and distracted from the choices that I need to make. I can't put it off anymore though and I have to take a break to sort through things.

I will not, however, just leave things and let everyone else sort through them. As I've already said, I am not completely "disappearing." I plan to remain pretty active in the MTDG and the DG cagematch II. If any kinks do come up in the CoL, I will still be here to spearhead any efforts to fix them. I just can no longer afford to focus my entire determination on the demogame.

In all honesty, your recent comments have me thinking that I've been here for to long. Maybe my influence is now having a negative effect on the game, something I certainly don't want to happen. Maybe it's time to gradually remove myself from the game completely?
 
Proposed poll for the following amendment to the Code of Laws:

Element A. The Government
The Government shall consist of the Executive Branch, Legislative Branch and Judicial Branch. These branches and the Citizenry as a whole are responsible for the management of the nation.

Element B. The Executive Branch
The Executive Branch of Government shall consist of the Office of President, as well as the several Advisors. These Advisors post discussions and polls over duties they are charged with as listed below.

Section 1. Office of the President
The President shall be the Head of State of the nation, as well as the leader of the Executive Branch of Government. Specifically, the President shall be responsible for coordinating the efforts his various Advisors. The President shall also be responsible for any duty not specifically assigned to any of the Advisors, including the management of the budget and of the slider, as well as Civic choices for the nation.

Section 2. Office of War
The foremost priority of the Office of War in both peacetime and war shall be the defense of the nation. The War Advisor shall be responsible for the management of all offensive and defensive units. The Advisor shall also be responsible for tactical and strategic planning during war. The Advisor may assign military units to the Office of Foreign Affairs as the Advisor shall see fit.

Section 3. Office of Culture
The Cultural Advisor shall be responsible for the movement of settlers, as well as planning for city placement. The Advisor shall also be charged with the formation of national boundaries and the monitoring of national culture levels. The Office of Culture shall also be tasked with placement of Wonders of all types, as well as overseeing the spread of religion, though the Cultural Advisor shall not initiate Civic changes. The Advisor shall also monitor Great People Points, and shall control all Great Artists and Great Prophets.

Section 4. Office of Foreign Affairs
The Foreign Affairs Advisor shall be charged with the negotiation of treaties, as well as all espionage-related activities. The Advisor shall also be responsible for all exploration activity, and therefore shall control all non-military scouting units (including Scouts, Explorers, Caravels, etc., and other units that may be assigned to the Office of Foreign Affairs by the Office of War as the War Advisor may see fit). The Advisor shall be responsible for all trading activity (including trading of technology and resources). The Advisor shall also control Great Merchants.

Section 5. Office of Research and Development
Research and Development Advisor shall control all worker units of the nation, and shall also direct technological research. The Advisor shall also control all Great Scientists and Great Engineers.

Section 6. The Office of the Censor
The Censor of the Assembly shall be tasked with validating polls, managing elections, and determining the census. Within two days of initially taking office, the Censor shall post Procedures for polling, which must define procedures for Initiative, Referendum, and Recall. Polls shall always be validated based on the Procedures in place when the poll was initially posted. The Censor shall also be responsible for polling the names of cities, units, geographic regions, as well as polling for the nation’s name and national symbols.

Section 7. Designated Players
The Designated Players shall be responsible for physically playing the saved game. Designated Players must first follow the posted current instructions and goals of a leader. Should no posted instruction exist, the Designated Player during his session may take guidance from polls. Should no such relevant polling data exist, the Designated Player may take guidance from discussion within the Democracy Game forum. Should no such relevant discussion exist, the Designated Player may take guidance from other citizens in the Democracy Game chatroom, should the session be online.

Section 8. The Governors
The Governors of the States shall be charged with the management and specialization of a single city or state. In cities assigned to that Governor, a Governor may specify certain A.I. specialization, or may individually place population to work certain tiles and hire specialists. The Governor may also set the build queues for all assigned cities.

Element C. The Legislative Branch
The Legislative Branch shall consist of The Senate.

Section 1. The Senate
The Senate is formed by all Citizens of the nation. The total number of Citizens in the Assembly shall be determined by the Census. The Assembly shall be charged with the formation and passing of laws.

Section 2. Governor's Council & States
The Governor's council shall be created when atleast three governors are present and is made up of all the governors. The Governors council is incharge of the creation of states. A state is a collection of cities managed by one governor. Each state must have a minimum of 3 cities and a state can not be created untill there is atleast 5 cities present in the civilization. The creation of a state requires a simple majority of both the Senate and Governors Council.

Element D. The Census and amending the Code of Laws
The average of the number of votes cast in each of the most recent contested elections shall constitute an active census of citizens. The highest vote total of these elections shall constitute a full census (the House). A simple majority of the house must be achieved for an amendment to pass. An amendment must pass a Judicial Review and be open for discussion for 72 hours before a poll may be posted. The poll must remain open for 48 hours.

Element E. The Election process
Elections shall decide who among the citizenry are trusted to manage the game. The President, the Advisors, Judiciary, Governors, and Designated Players are all elected. Each of these poistions, excepting the Judiciary, shall have a deputy chosen by the winning citizen. The Election process shall be made up of Nominations, Debates, and the Elections themselves. No citizen may hold the same office for 2 consecutive terms.

Section 1. Nominations and Debates
Nominations shall be posted atleast 8 days before the end of the term, debates will last through the duration of the nominations. Nominations will be closed when the election polls start.

Section 2. Election Polls
Election Polls shall be posted atleast 4 days before the end of the term, and will be set to run for 3 days (72 hours). The candidate with the highest number of votes at the end of the 3 days is considered the winner. If two candidates tie, then a run-off poll, lasting 2 days (48 hours) is posted with just those two canidates which will continue as needed. The election for designated players shall be multiple choice, and list all of the possible candidates. Any candidate that recieves over 50% of the vote is a designated player for that term.

Section 3. Judicial Terms
The Judiciary shall remain in power one week after the election of a new Judiciary. At this time, the newly elected Judiciary shall take over.

Element F. Vacant Poistions
An advisor or Justice may declare themselves to be Absent for a period of time. This period may not exceed 2 weeks. During this time, the deputy or pro-tem will act with all power and duties of that office, surrendering them to the official or Justice when they return or at the end of the planned absence, whichever comes first. If this period exceeds one week, then the deputy or pro-term may keep the power and duties of the office, unless they decide to give it up. Should an official fail to post in the DG forum for one week days in a thread related to their area without prior notice, the Judiciary may declare that office Vacant.

Section 1. Filling Vacant Offices:
The President will appoint a citizen to any vacant office. The appointment is subject to a conformation poll, set to run for 3 days. If the Presidential seat is vacant then the Advisor of Foreign Affairs appoints a President.

Section 2. Judicial Absence's
If a Justice has not posted on any active Judicial matter for seven days, the remaining Justices may declare the Justice Vacant. If all three Justices fail to post on any active Judicial matter for seven days, the President may declare all Judicial offices Vacant, and immediately appoint a new Chief Justice. The remaining members of the Judiciary appoint a replacement for a vacant Justice.

Element G. Recall
Any citizen may request a recall for an elected official by posting a thread in the Citizens forum, citing the reasons for the recall. If two or more citizens support the recall, the Chief Justice must post a recall poll. The poll must run for 3 days, be private, and be set up in a Yes/No/Abstain. If 2/3 of the census votes to recall an official, then the official is removed from office, and the office becomes vacant. In the case of a Judicial recall, the President will handle the recall poll.

Element H. Referendum
A referendum is the submission of a proposed public measure or a decree to a direct popular vote, it is the second highest form of decision making. A referendum must comply with all polling procedures. Referendums are a direct result of an elected official carrying out their duties.

Element I. Initiative
An initiative is executive legislation created, proposed, and approved by the citizens. It is the highest form of decision making, and over-rides any other decisions, excempting a decision tasked to do so.

Section 1. Proposing an Initiative
Any citizen of the democracy game can propose an initiative. An initiative must receive atleast 3 days of discussions and two days of polling. Initiatives only hold power during the term they are approved, unless otherwise stated.

Element J. Sunset Clause
A sunset clause is an emergency legislative act. It must be discussed for 48 hours, and receive 24 hours of polling. A simple majority of the house is required to pass the clause. A sunset clause will automatically be removed at the end of the term it was passed in, or during a other pre-determined time. At this time changes made by the sunset clause will revert back to it's original state.

Element K. Turnchats
All irreversible game actions must progress during a scheduled game session called a turnchat. Reversible game actions (i.e. build queues) that adhere to legal instructions can be prepared offline before the scheduled game session.

Section 1. Turnchat Instruction Thread
A Designated Player shall post a turnchat instruction thread 3 days before the scheduled turnchat. All executive advisors shall post instructions, based on citizen approval, in the instruction thread. These instructions are then used by the Designated Player to play the save. Advisors must post their instructions appro. 2 hours before the turnchat. The turnchat instruction thread is the only legal method of giving instructions to the designated player.

Element L. Liberare of Information
The Liberare or Library is a collection of game, save, and constitutional information. The Library is headed by a Director who is appointed by the President. The Director can then dictate additional tasks to Bureau Chiefs, who then take charge of a Bureau. The Library shall keep a record of all Bureau's and their purpose. The Director is charged with supplying save information at the citizens discretion.
 
proposal said:
Should an official fail to post in the DG forum for 3 days in a thread related to their area without prior notice, the Judiciary may declare that office Vacant.

I will vote no if this remains 3 days.
 
NO same reason as Dave..( ex you should have been gone in you 3 day absence recently.)First off some one like SoS or science or Sow might not have anythig to post..want posts sayign "hey its 3 days thought I would spam my own thread..got to increase my post count."
 
I too don't like 3 days, if I have no reason to post anything in my thread I'm not going to spam it.

Why is the information office now in the code of Laws? If it is in there at least call it the Information Office, or Library, certainly not Liberare which you even have to explain in the clause. Do you mean the Director dictates tasks to the Bureau Chiefs, or delegates tasks to the Bureau Chiefs. Can we also please have the excess apostrophe removed from Bureau's.
 
DaveShack said:
I will vote no if this remains 3 days.

It was fixed 8 minutes after the quoted post was made. Which was three days ago. Thanks for spamming the thread though.

Furiey said:
Why is the information office now in the code of Laws? If it is in there at least call it the Information Office, or Library, certainly not Liberare which you even have to explain in the clause. Do you mean the Director dictates tasks to the Bureau Chiefs, or delegates tasks to the Bureau Chiefs. Can we also please have the excess apostrophe removed from Bureau's.

Because of the meaning of Liberare. A library is "a place in which literary and artistic materials, such as books, periodicals, newspapers, pamphlets, prints, records, and tapes, are kept for reading, reference, or lending."

Liberare is an older word for Freedom, it is meant to imply that the information is "free" or not controlled by the will of another. Basically, it's meant to seperate it from a propoganda station. It can also imply that it's not restricted by any means.

It's two extra words for alot more.
 
Then I still vote NO..simply because you post it then you go back and edit it without telling anyone. So its not fair to know what the heck we are still voting on since you keep doing that. POST it once then DONT EDIT.

You seem to do quite often as I pointed out before.....
 
robboo said:
Then I still vote NO..simply because you post it then you go back and edit it without telling anyone. So its not fair to know what the heck we are still voting on since you keep doing that. POST it once then DONT EDIT.

You seem to do quite often as I pointed out before.....

What do you want me to say? Yeah, I fixed one number by adding in two words? Sorry, it may past the spamming test from the mods, but it's still spamming. It would have been an un-needed and useless post. Thus, spamming.

Why do you think I didn't send it to the Judiciary after the "orginal" two days were up? Because it was edited, so I had to wait longer. It was only half a day, but I still had to wait untill the time of the last edit.

What the hell do you want me to do? Re-post the entire thing with only two words changed? As I said earlier, that's spamming, may not get in trouble for it from the mods, but it's still spamming.

Edit: Whoa, the proposed poll lasts only 24 hours, not 72 like I thought it did. So this can be sent the Judiciary now.
 
You could have just post following Daves post saying you fixed it. That would have been responding to his post and letting everyone know.

Does anyone else find it ironic that you are complaining about spamming when you have are proposing a law that every official must post something in their official thread every week??
 
Okay, another try at this just to keep things uncontroversial.

Thread poll for an amendment to the Code of Laws. The purpose of this amendment is to clarify several issues, simplify several issues, clean up some complex and confusing ideas, and make the Code of Laws easier to read and understand.

Link to discussion

Do you wish to adopt this amendment?

Current law:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3579771&postcount=3
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3579772&postcount=4

Proposed amendment, completely replacing above:
Note: It will not come into effect untill the next term.

Element A. The Government
The Government shall consist of the Executive Branch, Legislative Branch and Judicial Branch. These branches and the Citizenry as a whole are responsible for the management of the nation.

Element B. The Executive Branch
The Executive Branch of Government shall consist of the Office of President, as well as the several Advisors. These Advisors post discussions and polls over duties they are charged with as listed below.

Section 1. Office of the President
The President shall be the Head of State of the nation, as well as the leader of the Executive Branch of Government. Specifically, the President shall be responsible for coordinating the efforts his various Advisors. The President shall also be responsible for any duty not specifically assigned to any of the Advisors, including the management of the budget and of the slider, as well as Civic choices for the nation.

Section 2. Office of War
The foremost priority of the Office of War in both peacetime and war shall be the defense of the nation. The War Advisor shall be responsible for the management of all offensive and defensive units. The Advisor shall also be responsible for tactical and strategic planning during war. The Advisor may assign military units to the Office of Foreign Affairs as the Advisor shall see fit.

Section 3. Office of Culture
The Cultural Advisor shall be responsible for the movement of settlers, as well as planning for city placement. The Advisor shall also be charged with the formation of national boundaries and the monitoring of national culture levels. The Office of Culture shall also be tasked with placement of Wonders of all types, as well as overseeing the spread of religion, though the Cultural Advisor shall not initiate Civic changes. The Advisor shall also monitor Great People Points, and shall control all Great Artists and Great Prophets.

Section 4. Office of Foreign Affairs
The Foreign Affairs Advisor shall be charged with the negotiation of treaties, as well as all espionage-related activities. The Advisor shall also be responsible for all exploration activity, and therefore shall control all non-military scouting units (including Scouts, Explorers, Caravels, etc., and other units that may be assigned to the Office of Foreign Affairs by the Office of War as the War Advisor may see fit). The Advisor shall be responsible for all trading activity (including trading of technology and resources). The Advisor shall also control Great Merchants.

Section 5. Office of Research and Development
Research and Development Advisor shall control all worker units of the nation, and shall also direct technological research. The Advisor shall also control all Great Scientists and Great Engineers.

Section 6. The Office of the Censor
The Censor of the Assembly shall be tasked with validating polls, managing elections, and determining the census. Within two days of initially taking office, the Censor shall post Procedures for polling, which must define procedures for Initiative, Referendum, and Recall. Polls shall always be validated based on the Procedures in place when the poll was initially posted. The Censor shall also be responsible for polling the names of cities, units, geographic regions, as well as polling for the nation’s name and national symbols.

Section 7. Designated Players
The Designated Players shall be responsible for physically playing the saved game. Designated Players must first follow the posted current instructions and goals of a leader. Should no posted instruction exist, the Designated Player during his session may take guidance from polls. Should no such relevant polling data exist, the Designated Player may take guidance from discussion within the Democracy Game forum. Should no such relevant discussion exist, the Designated Player may take guidance from other citizens in the Democracy Game chatroom, should the session be online.

Section 8. The Governors
The Governors of the States shall be charged with the management and specialization of a single city or state. In cities assigned to that Governor, a Governor may specify certain A.I. specialization, or may individually place population to work certain tiles and hire specialists. The Governor may also set the build queues for all assigned cities.

Element C. The Legislative Branch
The Legislative Branch shall consist of The Senate.

Section 1. The Senate
The Senate is formed by all Citizens of the nation. The total number of Citizens in the Assembly shall be determined by the Census. The Assembly shall be charged with the formation and passing of laws.

Section 2. Governor's Council & States
The Governor's council shall be created when atleast three governors are present and is made up of all the governors. The Governors council is incharge of the creation of states. A state is a collection of cities managed by one governor. Each state must have a minimum of 3 cities and a state can not be created untill there is atleast 5 cities present in the civilization. The creation of a state requires a simple majority of both the Senate and Governors Council.

Element D. The Census and amending the Code of Laws
The average of the number of votes cast in each of the most recent contested elections shall constitute an active census of citizens. The highest vote total of these elections shall constitute a full census (the House). A simple majority of the house must be achieved for an amendment to pass. An amendment must pass a Judicial Review and be open for discussion for 72 hours before a poll may be posted. The poll must remain open for 48 hours.

Element E. The Election process
Elections shall decide who among the citizenry are trusted to manage the game. The President, the Advisors, Judiciary, Governors, and Designated Players are all elected. Each of these poistions, excepting the Judiciary, shall have a deputy chosen by the winning citizen. The Election process shall be made up of Nominations, Debates, and the Elections themselves. No citizen may hold the same office for 2 consecutive terms.

Section 1. Nominations and Debates
Nominations shall be posted atleast 8 days before the end of the term, debates will last through the duration of the nominations. Nominations will be closed when the election polls start.

Section 2. Election Polls
Election Polls shall be posted atleast 4 days before the end of the term, and will be set to run for 3 days (72 hours). The candidate with the highest number of votes at the end of the 3 days is considered the winner. If two candidates tie, then a run-off poll, lasting 2 days (48 hours) is posted with just those two canidates which will continue as needed. The election for designated players shall be multiple choice, and list all of the possible candidates. Any candidate that recieves over 50% of the vote is a designated player for that term.

Section 3. Judicial Terms
The Judiciary shall remain in power one week after the election of a new Judiciary. At this time, the newly elected Judiciary shall take over.

Element F. Vacant Poistions
An advisor or Justice may declare themselves to be Absent for a period of time. This period may not exceed 2 weeks. During this time, the deputy or pro-tem will act with all power and duties of that office, surrendering them to the official or Justice when they return or at the end of the planned absence, whichever comes first. If this period exceeds one week, then the deputy or pro-term may keep the power and duties of the office, unless they decide to give it up. Should an official fail to post in the DG forum for one week days in a thread related to their area without prior notice, the Judiciary may declare that office Vacant.

Section 1. Filling Vacant Offices:
The President will appoint a citizen to any vacant office. The appointment is subject to a conformation poll, set to run for 3 days. If the Presidential seat is vacant then the Advisor of Foreign Affairs appoints a President.

Section 2. Judicial Absence's
If a Justice has not posted on any active Judicial matter for seven days, the remaining Justices may declare the Justice Vacant. If all three Justices fail to post on any active Judicial matter for seven days, the President may declare all Judicial offices Vacant, and immediately appoint a new Chief Justice. The remaining members of the Judiciary appoint a replacement for a vacant Justice.

Element G. Recall
Any citizen may request a recall for an elected official by posting a thread in the Citizens forum, citing the reasons for the recall. If two or more citizens support the recall, the Chief Justice must post a recall poll. The poll must run for 3 days, be private, and be set up in a Yes/No/Abstain. If 2/3 of the census votes to recall an official, then the official is removed from office, and the office becomes vacant. In the case of a Judicial recall, the President will handle the recall poll.

Element H. Referendum
A referendum is the submission of a proposed public measure or a decree to a direct popular vote, it is the second highest form of decision making. A referendum must comply with all polling procedures. Referendums are a direct result of an elected official carrying out their duties.

Element I. Initiative
An initiative is executive legislation created, proposed, and approved by the citizens. It is the highest form of decision making, and over-rides any other decisions, excempting a decision tasked to do so.

Section 1. Proposing an Initiative
Any citizen of the democracy game can propose an initiative. An initiative must receive atleast 3 days of discussions and two days of polling. Initiatives only hold power during the term they are approved, unless otherwise stated.

Element J. Sunset Clause
A sunset clause is an emergency legislative act. It must be discussed for 48 hours, and receive 24 hours of polling. A simple majority of the house is required to pass the clause. A sunset clause will automatically be removed at the end of the term it was passed in, or during a other pre-determined time. At this time changes made by the sunset clause will revert back to it's original state.

Element K. Turnchats
All irreversible game actions must progress during a scheduled game session called a turnchat. Reversible game actions (i.e. build queues) that adhere to legal instructions can be prepared offline before the scheduled game session.

Section 1. Turnchat Instruction Thread
A Designated Player shall post a turnchat instruction thread 3 days before the scheduled turnchat. All executive advisors shall post instructions, based on citizen approval, in the instruction thread. These instructions are then used by the Designated Player to play the save. Advisors must post their instructions appro. 2 hours before the turnchat. The turnchat instruction thread is the only legal method of giving instructions to the designated player.

Element L. Liberare of Information
The Liberare or Library is a collection of game, save, and constitutional information. The Library is headed by a Director who is appointed by the President. The Director can then dictate additional tasks to Bureau Chiefs, who then take charge of a Bureau. The Library shall keep a record of all Bureau's and their purpose. The Director is charged with supplying save information at the citizens discretion.

Poll question: Do you wish to amend the Code of Laws?

Yes
No
Abstain

Poll settings:
Duration: 4 days
Public Poll
 
robboo said:
You could have just post following Daves post saying you fixed it. That would have been responding to his post and letting everyone know.

Does anyone else find it ironic that you are complaining about spamming when you have are proposing a law that every official must post something in their official thread every week??

As I said earlier, let everyone know that I changed something that I said earlier that I would change? Sorry, but I told Daveshack earlier inside of the thread that I would change it, it looks like I just missed one on accident. A thank you to Dave for pointing it out, but there really is no point in purpose for saying that it was fixed when I had even said earlier that the short day time periods would be changed to one or two weeks.

It was no controversial issue, I doubt there is a single person in this game who would agree to 3 days. I doubt we will ever use it (as it seems whenever we do add to the CoL to delegate something to this effect, it never happens again), so why the hell are you making a big deal out of it?

I sure as hell don't give a rats ass if someone changed one number to two words. Even more so if it was something I supported. I had enough of drama in my years in high school, so cut it.
 
Thanks for the change. Ravensfire jumped on "he who must not be named" several times in December about edits in place too. Yes, one view is that posting acknowledgment of changes is spammy, and I respect that view -- but for future reference just use a change log when you edit so people will know it's been addressed. ;)

I noticed there are several typos remaining, but that is not a big deal. Anyone can volunteer to make any edits which don't affect the meaning, even during the ratification poll. The Constitution and existing CoL allow changes which are minor, as long as there are no objections.

I had begun to fear this would never get polled. Glad to see it will go forward to a vote as long as the judiciary doesn't choke on it.
 
DaveShack said:
Don't forget that no DG poll can have stricter requirements for passage than a Constitutional Amendment. Amendments to the constitution do not say a certain number of people must vote, so I'd recommend leaving the census bit out, or hope you don't have a strict court when it goes for review and interpreting any future challenges. If by "majority of the house" you meant a majority of those voting, then this comment has no meaning, but I'm guessing you meant a majority of the census, which has the aforementioned conflict with the constitution.

Well, at least one member of the court has ruled that the census bit is indeed in conflict with the Constitution. With Strider having pre-announced a period of low or no activity, does anyone feel the need to fix this and push it again?
 
DaveShack said:
Well, at least one member of the court has ruled that the census bit is indeed in conflict with the Constitution. With Strider having pre-announced a period of low or no activity, does anyone feel the need to fix this and push it again?

Apparently not. ;)

I move that we shelf this proposal for now to avoid further distractions. Let's learn how to play with the ruleset we have.
 
I'll second that. This proposal will be a much needed document, should the need ever arise to replaced the existing document.
 
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