Cold War (Noxium)

[Noxium]

Cold War year 1955

I used map of Earth (Huge) with little changes.
This map is presented as a mod. It must be extract to Sid Meier's Civilization 4\Beyond the Sword\Mods. Mod have two maps: Normal speed (180 turns, seasons) and Marathon speed (540 turns, months)

States on map:
Warsaw Pact
USSR
NATO
USA
Canada
Australia
Mexico
South America
Brazil
Arabian States
Pakistan
India
African States
RSA
Vietman
PR of China
Indonesia
Japan

Download here

 

[Pablod]

is better if you make settlers cost -1
so is not cities over antartica
good mod thanks

 

[Noxium]

is better if you make settlers cost -1
so is not cities over antartica
good mod thanks

I don't want to do any XML or other changes. I created this scenario as a mod because of flags only.

 

[Nasa]

Cool mod however I have a few suggestions.
1.Manilla and Port Moresby should be Christian instead of Buddhist.
2.The Buddhist holy city should be in Northern India, or possibly Lhasa.
3.The Eastern and Western Block powers should be more angry with the opposing and more friendly towards their allies.
4. Bagdad should be given to the Arabs. (Unless it would cause the game to be unbalanced)
5. Northern India should have Islam as well as Hinduism. (Bombay and Delhi)
6. Also, I would make it so that the Warsaw pact is not a rebranded Germany. Having Panzers gives them an Advantage they did not historically have.
7. I would have Buddhism Distributed in China proper and Japan.
8. Judaism should be distributed in Saint Paul, Minsk,Toronto, Montreal, Rio de Janeiro, Bucharest and Johannesburg.
9.Hindusim should be in Paramaribo.
10. Christianity should be in Baky as well as Islam.
11. The Warsaw pact should probably be a vassal of the Soviet Union.
12. Also I would make New Zealand have 2 cities.

I am happy to see that someone finally made a Non-modular Cold War World Scenario for BTS. The spy scene in the intro screamed Cold War but there was no cold war scenario to play. Now there is. Thank you. Hopefully my suggestions help. (The most important ones are #3 and #11)
P.S. It would be nice to see I way for Israel to be its own Civ with two or three cities as it fought wars with its neighbors during this period, but you already have 18 civs so I'm not sure how that would be possible. Also I'm not sure why you had the Warsaw Pact as Pacifist.

 

[Noxium]

Thank you Nasa for detailed review!

And some answers for your suggestions:
1. You are right. Religion was one of the complex problem for me when I made this map. It took many time, and I did some mistakes.
2. I know it, but it is good for balance if Holy City of Buddhism is in Vietnam.
3. Maybe. I'll think about it.
4. Arabs have a big territory, I think it is not a good idea.
5. see 1.
6. Warsaw Pact are very weak in my map, and this Panzers partially will do WP stronger if the War will start at the beginning of the game.
7. see 1.
8. Why in this 7 cities? I see you know a lot about religions
9. see 1.
10. don't see 1. because I differ with you.
11. it's not right. In this way I may do NATO as a vassal of USA. It's very similar, isn't it? And, by the way, there are no_vassal_states in game settings
12. Australia have many cities and it is superfluous in my view.

P.S. You are right - it is not possible to do Israel as a Civ. And I don't see reasons. And what about Pacifism - It is better then Free Religion and Paganism, as I see it. And, frankly speaking, it is not far from the truth.

 

[KeloGBites]

Pretty curious why there is such a colossal amount of tile improvements missing (It gives Russia a horrible start due to the ridiculous amount of land to improve+no starting workers) considering that this is by the time all the nations present had a well built up infrastructure?

 

[Noxium]

Pretty curious why there is such a colossal amount of tile improvements missing (It gives Russia a horrible start due to the ridiculous amount of land to improve+no starting workers) considering that this is by the time all the nations present had a well built up infrastructure?

As I see it, it's better for balance. Imagine, that Russia have all tile improved - In this way it will be easy for USSR to conquer all rest of the world. Are you differ with this opinion?

 

[pi-r8]

Playing as USSR as kind of funny. They have so much awesome land, about 3 times as much as anyone else. However it's all unimproved and they have no workers. If the USSR just spends the first 30 turns building workers, they'll win easily.

 

[Nasa]

Thank you Nasa for detailed review!

And some answers for your suggestions:
1. You are right. Religion was one of the complex problem for me when I made this map. It took many time, and I did some mistakes.
2. I know it, but it is good for balance if Holy City of Buddhism is in Vietnam.
3. Maybe. I'll think about it.
4. Arabs have a big territory, I think it is not a good idea.
5. see 1.
6. Warsaw Pact are very weak in my map, and this Panzers partially will do WP stronger if the War will start at the beginning of the game.
7. see 1.
8. Why in this 7 cities? I see you know a lot about religions
9. see 1.
10. don't see 1. because I differ with you.
11. it's not right. In this way I may do NATO as a vassal of USA. It's very similar, isn't it? And, by the way, there are no_vassal_states in game settings
12. Australia have many cities and it is superfluous in my view.

P.S. You are right - it is not possible to do Israel as a Civ. And I don't see reasons. And what about Pacifism - It is better then Free Religion and Paganism, as I see it. And, frankly speaking, it is not far from the truth.

After playing the scenario some more I would agree that the Diplomacy should probably be kept as it is (with regards to vassals and relations). Doing religion for the Soviet Union and Eastern Block states is always difficult as there is no way to make an atheist state in the game without moding. As the Warsaw pact starts with no religion its religious civic doesn't really matter as it will have no effect. I wouldn't define the Warsaw pact as pacifist as they did not have any stance against military action and invaded Czechoslovakia with the Soviet Union to prevent the Prague Spring liberal reforms there. Here is a link to a Czechoslovakian page covering the event.
http://www.radio.cz/en/article/44313
As to the religious suggestions here is a map that could help. (However world religion maps tend to differ from source to source and are not always 100 percent accurate)
http://www.wadsworth.com/religion_d/special_features/popups/maps/matthews_world/images/w001.jpg

 

[pi-r8]

How come the USA and USSR both start with nukes, but NOT the manhattan project and neither one has knowledge of rocketry?

 

[Noxium]

Doing religion for the Soviet Union and Eastern Block states is always difficult as there is no way to make an atheist state in the game without moding.

It's true.

I wouldn't define the Warsaw pact as pacifist as they did not have any stance against military action and invaded Czechoslovakia with the Soviet Union to prevent the Prague Spring liberal reforms there. Here is a link to a Czechoslovakian page covering the event.
http://www.radio.cz/en/article/44313

Link is rather interesting, thank you. But I know about it, and as you know USA and NATO started much more wars then Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact. Invasion to Czechoslovakia is a little military act, but wars of USA killed mass of people, and you know it. Simply you watch from you side and I see it from another. It is very complex question, and I think it is not for this thread.

As to the religious suggestions here is a map that could help. (However world religion maps tend to differ from source to source and are not always 100 percent accurate)
http://www.wadsworth.com/religion_d/special_features/popups/maps/matthews_world/images/w001.jpg

Thank you for map!

How come the USA and USSR both start with nukes, but NOT the manhattan project and neither one has knowledge of rocketry?

It is better for balance in my opinion. All other civs have time to invent nukes before they'll die of Soviet or American fallout.

 

[Saiko]

This looks interesting! Downloading right now...

 

[Sagitario]

Cold War year 1955

I used map of Earth (Huge) with little changes.
This map is presented as a mod. It must be extract to Sid Meier's Civilization 4\Beyond the Sword\Mods. Mod have two maps: Normal speed (180 turns, seasons) and Marathon speed (540 turns, months)

States on map:
Warsaw Pact
USSR
NATO
USA
Canada
Australia
Mexico
South America
Brazil
Arabian States
Pakistan
India
African States
RSA
Vietman
PR of China
Indonesia
Japan

Download here

Religions should be changed to ideologies!

 

[Sagitario]

How come the USA and USSR both start with nukes, but NOT the manhattan project and neither one has knowledge of rocketry?

I was wondering the same thing!

 

[Krunchyman]

Ahhhh, now this is what I was looking for.
Thanks, Noxum.

 

[Truthy]

I'll probably make NAto and US and Warsaw Pact and USSR permanent allies. Also, it's pretty amusing how on the first turn of the game US adopts state property and almost everyone becomes Christian. Russia completely reversed the Bolshevik revolution and adopted vassalage and hereditary rule.

 

[Noxium]

Civ's error. It doesn't recognize true behavior

 

[keneticpest]

It's a nice little scenario, but it needs some work.
For instance, I would remove religions (except Islam and Judaism) and replace them with the government types from RtW.
Second, make NATO and the US + USSR and the Warsaw Pact permanent allies.
Third, make an independent Israel and North Korea (an American Seoul could be used to represent the south) and give Bangladesh to Pakistan.
Fourth, make the cities more geographically accurate, it's weird seeing Amsterdam in what should be Denmark.

Don't get me wrong, I like this scenario (I'm currently playing a USSR campaign which has already turned into WWIV, that's no typo) I'm simply pointing out things that annoy me.

 

[mediterreania]

Iran should be separate from Arab League.

 

[Noxium]

mediterreania: there is maximum 18 civs