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College Bowl Prediction Thread
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Kraznaya
Princeps
Bring it son, bring it
They are to seperate issues, and your bordering on troll level if you havn't reached it yet.
The things I discussed were TWO seperate issues. Follow me here before you flame me some more.
1. Boise State deserved to be in the Fiesta Bowl due to thier undefeated season and domination of most good opponents. They proved they could ONE DAY compete for the NC because of thier win over Oklahoma and that they deserve to be in a PLAYOFF. THATS what I was talking about in the second post you quoted of mine. I was talking about a playoff.
2. Boise State DOES NOT have any claim to the National Championship this year, because thier schedule, while good enough to get into the Fiesta Bowl by running the table, does not have nearly the merit that Florida's did. Florida beat several top 10 teams and destroyed the wire-to-wire number 1, Ohio State. I was venting against ESPN and thier sensationalist and idiotic journalism. They are two SEPERATE issues.
I would appreciate if you would not take my posts out of context. Oh, and for your information, how often have I talked about the Big 12? Oh yea, thats right. My team is Texas, my conference is SEC. I have vouched for the SEC all year long, and have for years. Notice the CHRIS LEAK avatar? Jesus...
Who IS your team anyway and why did you single me and my "supposed" conference out?
Firstly, the first section of my post was a light hearted poke, if my liberal use of smilies had not indicated that to you already.
The second section of my post was not directed at you, notice how the there is a paragraph ending break. The "Big-11" was directed toward Big-10 conferencers and uses a more technically correct name (the Big-10 has 11 teams).
In the writing that I cited in the second quote box, you indicated that Boise played on the same level on the Ohio State ("I'm tired of people saying Boise Can't touch OSU. Ridiculous." Given this, I took it into the context that you were suggesting a playoff, or for this year, a plus one game.
Being on the West Coast I generally root for the Pac-10, which was the repeating champions of the "Best Conference Record in Bowl Games" or something along that line before this year. In intra-Pac-10 play I root for favorite, but outside of the Pac10 I support the underdogs.
Eh? So your mainly an 'SC fan I guess, sorry about Vince destroying the team of destiny 
If I were you, I would atleast draw a name out of hat so if people ask what you favorite team is, you could say "err...uhh...Washington State!"
Oh, and I felt (and still feel) like crud. I didn't even see the nice little winky smiley, which I use frequently myself. I probably shouldn't even be posting, but I'm bored, so I'm sorry for going off a little bit. My bad.
Still though, I am HEAVILY in favor of a playoff, but HEAVILY against illegitamizing Florida's national championship in any way. Just as I was when the media train began and crowned USC "co-champions". If we're going to have this cruddy system, then at least let it crown the champions NO QUESTIONS ASKED.
If I were you, I would atleast draw a name out of hat so if people ask what you favorite team is, you could say "err...uhh...Washington State!"Oh, and I felt (and still feel) like crud. I didn't even see the nice little winky smiley, which I use frequently myself. I probably shouldn't even be posting, but I'm bored, so I'm sorry for going off a little bit. My bad.
Still though, I am HEAVILY in favor of a playoff, but HEAVILY against illegitamizing Florida's national championship in any way. Just as I was when the media train began and crowned USC "co-champions". If we're going to have this cruddy system, then at least let it crown the champions NO QUESTIONS ASKED.
Kraznaya
Princeps
I am constantly pessimistic about SC (especially its players, I believe its the system and not the individual media favorites such as Bush which has brought its dynasty), but admittingly I do root for them. I am partial to both Stanford and Washington, but whos going to admit that right out of the box after the the seasons that they have had this year? 
I have faith that Ty will eventually turn things around in Washington, but Stanford has got to start to admitting that nerds can't play football in the Division I-A and either move down with Harvard and such or start recruiting based on physical rather than academic talent.
Its also hard not to root for another game between the perrenial underdog and the BCS champ shocker, as long as you get to watch it. However, I don't believe that either team wants it, Florida should be at least a little afraid of the crazy playcalls and momenteum of Boise, it is a little streaky and unpredictable itself. As for Boise, why even chance a Cinderella season and a "everything just went right" finishing touch with a chance for a back-to-reality loss?
In my opinion, when people question Florida's validacy and bring up Boise's undefeated record, I don't think they are truly questioning Florida validacy but that of the BCS's. This is encouraged in some areas of the sporting media but I wonder what effect it really has; the BCS has treated this as "all publicity is good publicity" and with the millions it rakes in every year, its hard not to question that approach.
I don't really mind the outburst; I like many parts of your analyses, and accusing you of hypocrisy (even jokingly) probably wasnt a good way to start off.
I have faith that Ty will eventually turn things around in Washington, but Stanford has got to start to admitting that nerds can't play football in the Division I-A and either move down with Harvard and such or start recruiting based on physical rather than academic talent.Its also hard not to root for another game between the perrenial underdog and the BCS champ shocker, as long as you get to watch it.
However, I don't believe that either team wants it, Florida should be at least a little afraid of the crazy playcalls and momenteum of Boise, it is a little streaky and unpredictable itself. As for Boise, why even chance a Cinderella season and a "everything just went right" finishing touch with a chance for a back-to-reality loss? In my opinion, when people question Florida's validacy and bring up Boise's undefeated record, I don't think they are truly questioning Florida validacy but that of the BCS's. This is encouraged in some areas of the sporting media but I wonder what effect it really has; the BCS has treated this as "all publicity is good publicity" and with the millions it rakes in every year, its hard not to question that approach.
I don't really mind the outburst; I like many parts of your analyses, and accusing you of hypocrisy (even jokingly) probably wasnt a good way to start off.
Yea, and Big 11? You saying Baylor isn't a real team?? Thier making real strides, only losing to Texas by 40 or so now 
Well, I hate the BCS as much as anyone. When coaches have to whine thier way in (Mack, Meyer) even though thier teams are just as deserving, it needs to end. When a laundry list of teams have been screwed over or have an argument (Auburn, Cal, USC in '04 even though LSU, Michigan, Tulane, Utah whos game wasnt even a game, Colorado, Oregon twice). And when you have sometimes idiot sportswriters and computers deciding everything, it just isn't right.
My argument is though, that as long as we are in this stupid system, we shouldn't crown two champions. Defeats the purpose. Bad thing for Boise is, and although they will likely rebound, they are a senior heavy team, including the QB Zabransky (even though he wasn't really that great). Teams like OSU, Florida, Texas, etc can compete every year while for Boise, thier runs come every 3 or 4 years.
I say the Pac 10 drop Stanford and replace it with either Utah, Boise State, Hawaii, or Fresno State. Stanford should go Independent. Thier problem is thier stupid AD's who are happy with mediocrity. If nerds can play basketball (and Stanford has done well in basketball) then I think they could play football with the right support. Supposedly thier new coach, Jim Harbaugh, is working on a plan to bring Stanford football back in all aspects. We'll see, I think he has 4 years to turn it around at the most.
Well, I hate the BCS as much as anyone. When coaches have to whine thier way in (Mack, Meyer) even though thier teams are just as deserving, it needs to end. When a laundry list of teams have been screwed over or have an argument (Auburn, Cal, USC in '04 even though LSU, Michigan, Tulane, Utah whos game wasnt even a game, Colorado, Oregon twice). And when you have sometimes idiot sportswriters and computers deciding everything, it just isn't right.
My argument is though, that as long as we are in this stupid system, we shouldn't crown two champions. Defeats the purpose. Bad thing for Boise is, and although they will likely rebound, they are a senior heavy team, including the QB Zabransky (even though he wasn't really that great). Teams like OSU, Florida, Texas, etc can compete every year while for Boise, thier runs come every 3 or 4 years.
I say the Pac 10 drop Stanford and replace it with either Utah, Boise State, Hawaii, or Fresno State. Stanford should go Independent. Thier problem is thier stupid AD's who are happy with mediocrity. If nerds can play basketball (and Stanford has done well in basketball) then I think they could play football with the right support. Supposedly thier new coach, Jim Harbaugh, is working on a plan to bring Stanford football back in all aspects. We'll see, I think he has 4 years to turn it around at the most.
For what its worth, during the whole conference expansion phase a few years ago, the Pac-10 looked very hard at adding Utah and BYU, and getting a title game (and the Big 10 looked to add a 12th team as well)l. The fact that BYU doesnt play matches on Sunday, and the fact that the two schools wanted to stay together was the deal breaker.
then, they tried to create a western midmajor super confernce, that might have rivaled the Big East for that last BCS bid (something like a super old WAC, Boise, Fresno, Haiwai and Nevada from the WAC, BYU, Utah and Air Force from the MWC, and TCU from CUSA. That also fell through)
They eventually just settled on getting TCU to join the MWC. I think if we scraped all the midmajor conferences, and built two mid major super confernces (one from the WAC and MWC, and one from CUSA and the MAC), and we tweaked the BCS, then mid-major acesess to big bowl games would increase (because their SOS would be much higher).
then, they tried to create a western midmajor super confernce, that might have rivaled the Big East for that last BCS bid (something like a super old WAC, Boise, Fresno, Haiwai and Nevada from the WAC, BYU, Utah and Air Force from the MWC, and TCU from CUSA. That also fell through)
They eventually just settled on getting TCU to join the MWC. I think if we scraped all the midmajor conferences, and built two mid major super confernces (one from the WAC and MWC, and one from CUSA and the MAC), and we tweaked the BCS, then mid-major acesess to big bowl games would increase (because their SOS would be much higher).
Kraznaya
Princeps
Azale, my Big-11 references were to the Big-10 having 11 teams, despite its name.
I see no reason why Stanford should be dropped from the Pac-10, for one thing, as you mentioned, it does well for the conference in other sports and academically and has been strong in football in the past, such as producing players like John Elway. I also don't see why Stanford should go independent, it would have an empty schedule with the exception of Cal and Notre Dame, and the rest of the schedule would be filled up most logically with... Pac-10 teams.
The Pac-10 also runs into trouble when trying to add more inland schools because of its heavy academic and all around athletics. Some schools from the Mountain West and the WAC may be just to small to meet them.
I like the ideal of 2 "all-star" mid major conferences, but would the rest of them be content to be booted back down into I-AA?
I see no reason why Stanford should be dropped from the Pac-10, for one thing, as you mentioned, it does well for the conference in other sports and academically and has been strong in football in the past, such as producing players like John Elway. I also don't see why Stanford should go independent, it would have an empty schedule with the exception of Cal and Notre Dame, and the rest of the schedule would be filled up most logically with... Pac-10 teams.
The Pac-10 also runs into trouble when trying to add more inland schools because of its heavy academic and all around athletics. Some schools from the Mountain West and the WAC may be just to small to meet them.
I like the ideal of 2 "all-star" mid major conferences, but would the rest of them be content to be booted back down into I-AA?
djrules5454
Chieftain
The Big Ten having 11 teams didn't make sense to me until I discovered that Penn State was an independent way back in the 70's and early 80's.
They've won the Director's Cup what, the last 11 years straight? I think they're entitled to suck in a sport or two.
theimmortal1
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If there was a Plus 1 game Boise wouldn't have been in it...LSU would be playing Florida
If there was an 8 team playoff..Boise wouldn't have been in it..USC woudl have been the last team in
If there was an 8 team playoff..Boise wouldn't have been in it..USC woudl have been the last team in
ummmm........
Extremely normal.
I think the plus-one would've been USC/Florida, and Boise would've made an eight team playoff, if only because the system would have a non-BCS allowance clause the same way the bowls do now . . .
Thats why I think BYU was really one of the only viable options. Its a huge school (I think it has close to 40,000 undergrads, which I think is actually bigger than some Pac-10 schools). BYU and Utah both have solid all-around athletics (in some years, the MWC is actually a better basketball conference than the PAC-10. They both often have ranked mens and womens basktebal teams, and are volleyball powerhouses). They could also likely hold their own academically.
They're really the only two western schools whom I think could do it though...the other schools are too-one dementional , or too small, and reasons other than sports will likely keep BYU/Utah out of the Pac-10 (unless every major conference goes to 12 teams and a title game, and we get a playoff.
As for the superconfernce, and moving teams down to 1-AA, i'm not sure we have to do that. Sure, schools like eastern Michigan might deserve it, but a few of the left behinds could be okay bowl teams.
Actually, BYU doesn't have solid enough all-around academics. Yes, it's solid at the undergrad level, BUT it's not a research institution and doesn't have enough serious grad programs to be considered.
If the PAC-10 expands, it's going to want to include the Denver TV market (with the 4 million viewers in the Fort Range Urban Corridor). So it'll want to add Colorado first, but that's unlikely as Colorado has already developed strong ties to Nebraska and Oklahoma, and if it would have jumped, would have done it a decade ago. The other school in the area is Colorado State (which is a research institution). It's a mediocre MWC school in football, but would certainly get a big boost in recruiting if it was announced they were joining the PAC-10 (especially if the Buffs were having a down year).
But being realistic, the PAC-10 has no real incentive to expand at this point.
ummmm........
Extremely normal.
I don't think expansion is necessarily desirable. I like the Pac-10 round robin schedule more than the SEC's inter-division play. It just seems more fair to me. I wouldn't lose any sleep if the SEC went down to ten teams and dropped the championship game.
Right, its not being considered now. This was just something that was being talked about when the ACC went to 12 teams, the Big East was ravaged, and mid-major conferences everywhere were adding and subtracting teams. The Big-10 and Pac-10 were considering going to 12 teams and adding title games, (the Big-10 less so, since Norte Dame turned them down in what, 2000?, and there are pretty strict rules for expansion)
I was just thinking undergrad...the only solid grad programs I can think of for BYU would be their law school, and archeolology, (and maybe the MBA program). I didnt know all the Pac-10 schools were research institutions either. (Isn't Utah a research school?)
Right now, it doesnt look like any of that is going to happen anytime soon, at least not with the current BCS system.
I was just thinking undergrad...the only solid grad programs I can think of for BYU would be their law school, and archeolology, (and maybe the MBA program). I didnt know all the Pac-10 schools were research institutions either. (Isn't Utah a research school?)
Right now, it doesnt look like any of that is going to happen anytime soon, at least not with the current BCS system.
Utah is a top research school (better than some of the PAC-10 schools), and is definitely worthy of being admitted to the PAC-10. It along with Colorado or Colorado State would be the most likely additions if the P10 did decide to expand.
Hey, neither was Oregon State, between 1970 and 1999 they didn't have a single winning season (with only 2 years of winning 5 games). Plus, they would receive a huge boost in all-sports due to P10 membership, especially football (it would allow it to be on equal footing with Colorado in the in-state recruiting war). Heck, if Colorado made the jump to the P10 with Utah, the Big 12 would most likely jump on CSU (so it wouldn't lose any of it's current TV market).
And CSU isn't as bad as you think in all sports, they have a solid hockey program, their basketball team is 12-4 right now, and they also just won the mountain west championship in women's volleyball.
And CSU isn't as bad as you think in all sports, they have a solid hockey program, their basketball team is 12-4 right now, and they also just won the mountain west championship in women's volleyball.
