Colonization: Space Edition Pre-game Disscussion

Oh God what an ugly/hilarious map.

Germany is partitioned again. Lol.

Canada seizing parts of Alaska. Lolol.

Israel ruling Egypt. Lololol.

Japan ruling Sakhalin and Primurye THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE! THIS INTRUSION INTO SOVIET TERRITORY CANNOT BE TOLERATED. I'M OUT OF THIS GAME.

Because after 1,000 years, the political borders of the world have changed quite a bit. If you also notice, China owns southeast Asia, Australia owns New Zealand, and North Africa owns Poland (though it's not like that isn't true now. ;) )

Again, this is 3,000 AD. Borders have changed. I point to you my last examples.
 
I changed the borders on my maps. W. Europe has the strait of Gibraltar and portugal is run by E Europe. The moon looks less like a pie, also.

Spoiler :
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Green = USA
Orange = Canada
Light Blue = Central American Union
Grey = Brazil
Neon Green= South American Union
Peach = The West Euro Union
Violet = The East Euro Union
Dark Red = New Soviet Union
Red= Japan
Yellow = Australia
Silver = China
Light Purple = Israel
Purple = India
Dark Green = North African Union
Black = Ethiopian Empire
Pink = South African Union

The Moon:
Spoiler :
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Great job :thumbsup:

This will work wonderfully. :)
 
Oh God what an ugly/hilarious map.

Germany is partitioned again. Lol.

Canada seizing parts of Alaska. Lolol.

Israel ruling Egypt. Lololol.

Japan ruling Sakhalin and Primurye THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE! THIS INTRUSION INTO SOVIET TERRITORY CANNOT BE TOLERATED. I'M OUT OF THIS GAME.

Do people usuially do this?

Do you want me to change it bobbtjoe?
 
May I inquire how in the name of god what the **** you did with the Americas? Everything else seems fine (Except for China's extension into Russia and Japan owning the coast of Manchuria (The island I'm actually okay with). But Jesus Christ, you raped my continent. Why does America own freaking Nova Scotia? That's like Canada owning the New England states, it wouldn't really be America anymore, or Britain losing England, it just would be a neutered, hollow shell of its former self. And how come Alaska is half owned by Canada? A war between the two nations is /extremely/ unlikely as it is, but then why would they want to keep it? Why not, you know, trade it back for Nova Scotia! And after the rape of America/Canada borders, the Mexican border is exactly the same as before. Why? If anything, America would want to secure its southern, not northern, border.

The Caribbean is just lame. A dominated American ocean, (with Puerto Rico, the only actual U.S. island in there, leading an independent nation that is unlabeled, no less), is just frankly cliche. And why would Mexico and America partition Cuba, the most important island? If America has so many god****ed bases there, can't they just shove them out of Cuba? I personally propose a Caribbean nation myself, but hey.

And South America. If you're going to have Las Trinidad (Which is the name of a hypothetical anti-Brazil collation by pretty much every other single SA nation in HAWX), then why is half of Venezuela part of the Brazilian side? They're the nation that hates Brazil the most, the citizens and the government would absolutely refuse to become Brazilians. In fact, Las Trinidad is a pretty much big change for South America, do you really need Brazil expanding even more? I understand Guyana, because I think Europe would want to give it to a pro-west country, but not anything else.

Now, you may be saying "Oh Omega, it's just a game", and "Oh, its 3000, borders have changed". And I say, no they shouldn't. Every since the creation of Nation States, borders have been pretty consistent, with very few radical changes. Now, I'll admit some things (Like a creation of a EU as a nation) are completely rational. Giving America Nova Scotia is NOT rational.

So, here's my proposal.



Now, you'll note that I fixed the borders to be much more realistic, but I did a could of changes.

-Split of EU made no sense to me. So, I unified Germany, made Scav. Countries to Euro, the USSR successor states (execpt for the Czechs, whom went to Euro) into USSR itself, and the remaining Balkan countries went into something I call "The Ottomans".

-Canada loses Greenland, given to EU. OTL America-Canada borders re-established

-Mexico and America lose all Caribbean positions execpt for Key Wests and Puerto Rico for the latter, freed up islands become Caribbean Federation.

-Made Indonesia into a country, as it is a powerful country that wouldn't want to join China. Papua New Guinea is the only Indonesian Island Australia or China has.

-Gave South Korea to Japan. North Korea and China are very similar ideology, and would very easily union. South Korea, seeing this, knows it wouldn't survive much longer. By now, Japan has became a friendly, NATO nation, not the oppressor from 1910-1945. South Korea would very much ask Japan for protection, and once reunification was thrown out the window, willingly was annexed.

-EU loses African possessions

-Russian borders with all other nations become streamlined.

-Gave a tad more land to South Africa, and a tad less to Ethiopia

-Brazil expansion undone, execpt for Guynea.

-Philippines went to America. Same thing with South Korea, it was either China, Indonesia, or America, and they chose America, as we weren't dicks when we occupied them.

Also, finally, there are too many "Union"s. Only Europe (And since the East Euros are no longer East Euros, West Euro should just be called Euro) ans Soviets should be "Union"s. The others should have unique names. I suggest:


Central American Union=Mexico
South American Union=Las Trinidad
The East Euro Union=Ottoman Empire
North African Union=African Conference (Credit to HasNES II)
South African Union=South Africa

Anyways, I think I shall claim Israel, (Unless Joe wants it, then go ahead).
 
Gosh Dang! Is everyone around here a :):):):)ing jerk? Omega, you were making fun of me about the factbook thing on my game thread calling me a stalker when all the factbook is is info about your nation. Then also. I am not good at making maps and I offered to revise it, and then you go on a big long rant about how terrable of a mapmaker I am. I have no idea about this crap that will be future happening. Im sorry, but it seems people here are unfriendly.
 
Gosh Dang! Is everyone around here a :):):):)ing jerk? Omega, you were making fun of me about the factbook thing on my game thread calling me a stalker when all the factbook is is info about your nation. Then also. I am not good at making maps and I offered to revise it, and then you go on a big long rant about how terrable of a mapmaker I am. I have no idea about this crap that will be future happening. Im sorry, but it seems people here are unfriendly.

Exactly. Omega, I don't want to have to redo all of my other maps, planning, and game mechanics to allow for other nation to play. I have made a solar system map, a map ofseveral other planets, and have made of whole system of playing the game that would be totally skewed if more nations were added in. We worked hard on this stuff. I'm going to tell you the same thing I told West India Man, "You'll just have to deal with it."

I present to you Europe 1000 AD:
Spoiler :
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Europe 2000 AD:
Spoiler :
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Yes, I see the difference. But, at the same point, you can see the developing nation states. France is the biggest example at 100 AD, with only Brittany, Burgundy, Flanders and Toulouse left to go. Denmark and Norway are already nations states at this point anyways, Baltics have roughly the the same borders, and Holy Rome externally unites Germany and northern Italy, but most definitely not internally (Which is why the both of them were the last ones to form).

Also, notice the period between 1500-2000. Notice that warfare at this stage was truly limited compared to before, and modern borders were pretty much in place. Countries fought over colonies and resources, Napoleon rises, founds nationalism, Napoleonic Wars, Europa wins, nationalism hits the colonies, they revolt, they win, nations fight for small sections of land, some win, some lose, then Hilter rises to power, and we fight for ideology. War is rarely for land now, and mostly now for ideology. Thus this explains why America annexing Nova Scotia or Brazil annexing half of Venezuela makes no sense in the modern world.

And for the maps, which you are complaining of, notice I took the time and effort to create my own map. I'm more than willing to create a new moon for you guys, and all other maps. I mean, I did all the hard work, making the Earth Map. Making a new Moon map would be extremely easy, all I need to do is take away a few sections and adding in the two new proposed nations. Shouldn't take longer than 30 minutes if I sit down and do it, the main problem would be my laziness.
 
:rolleyes:

It couldn't possibly have anything to do with emphasizing that this is a game.

I'm in tears at your incredibly well thought out rebuttal.
 
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