Conquests features comprehensive survey

Originally posted by DAKjungF
It seems like the Llama and the exotic birds photos point to the same windmill.... :(


Anyway, it is a very fine job you've done! :goodjob:

Thanks, corrected and a few more links added.

Thanks again, hope it is useful.

BTW thread reopened after some "cleaning" (mostly dirty Byzantine carpets I think :p)
 
They mentioned that was taken from an earlier version

The final version will have nicely rendered flags for each nation.

I think they are doing there best to cut down on leaderhead art (I wonder about the other scenarios)
 
Yes, can you say "Placeholder Art"? ;) :D

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.
 
Originally posted by LouLong
Note 2 : (alt) means a standard civ has been modified for the scenario, not a new complete civ per se. For instance Mycenians (alt) means they are an alteration of the Greeks

But if it’s true perhaps there will be no Netherlands as civ…
If they create a specific scenario, a standard civ has been modified for the scenario, and in http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/civ3conquests/screens_6071207.html?page=5 see Caeser as Netherlands… (I hope that Louis XXIV is right)
 
Maybe I should have posted this guess earlier, but here I go:

I've noticed that you don't list any of the clans for Sengoku, so I'll list some that they couldn't do without:


Tokugowa (obviously in there. They won this medival war. They have roots in the Hojo and Uesugi clans.)

Mori (famous for their warrior monks. Since there's a mention of warior monks being in this scenario, I can't see how they couldn't be)

Ise (started by Ise Shinkuro, an old samarai. Existed for a long time. Pillaged everywhere. Possible barbarian clan.)

Uesugi (the emperor's clan. This clan ruled Japan before the Sengoku period began)

Hojo (Started by Ashikaga Chaga, who changed his name to Hojo Suon after becoming a Budist priest. He had really old relations with the emperor, about one hundred years back)

Takeda (a long lasting tribe. The only real contender to the Hojo clan early on)

Imagawa (Took advantage of the fight of the Hojo and Uesegwa clans over Kyoto. He captured it in 1560)

Oda (Took Kyoto in 1568. During 1560-1567, Oda Nobunga convinced the Imagawa clan that his army was passing through and wasn't a threat! This party held Kyoto for the longest period in the war)

Shibata (Almost won the war. Shibata Katsuie, if he would have killed Akechi Mitsuhide, would have gained enough support to end the war.)

Ukita (stayed in the war until the very end)

Maeda (ditto)

Shimazu (first clan to take advantage of arquebus weapons. Also the first clan to win widescale with them. Eventually merged with Ishida)


And here's a list of those that I would hate to see in there:


Shiba (wiped out early on)

Ishiki (ditto)

Hatekayama (may have been one of the origional two challengers, but they were wiped out early, too)

Yamana (ditto)

Masahiro (had a promising rise to the shogun seat, but Ouchi Masahiro chose to go the "culture" route and was quickly elliminated. A clan that emerged in the central years of the wars)

Sue (had a HUGE army, but was tricked by the Mori clan to take a fortress on the island of Miyajima. Once there, Sue Harukata was essentually starved to death)

Toyotomi (successfull in capturing Tokyo, but only held it for 13 days. His mistake of not marrying into the Shogun's family eventually led to his downfall. VERY shortly lived tribe. Was essentually killed by ALL of the tribes that were contending for the office of Shogunate.)

Shibata (dumb enough to attack arbequebus-armed soldiers TWICE in attempt to take Kyoto. This led to his downfall)


As for other things:

Probably 10% chance I'm wrong - The Curragh, which can be built after discovering Alphabet, may be specific for Seafaring civilizations (kind of like the scout for expansionists). The other half of the benifits would have to be that you either can build harbors or other sea-based buildings cheaper, get more benifits from sea squares, or both.

Hope this helps. Sorry about the length.

P.S. I'm not a Beta Tester. If I'm hitting some things right on, it's from a little luck and knowlege of history, not from playing it in advance.
 
Aren't there 18 civs in the Conquest?

If you look at the screenshots, here's what I can figure out

Miyoshi
Imagawa
Hojo
Takeda
Saito
Uesugi

Edit: A few notes

However, the expansion will also feature numerous tweaks and updates to better balance the core game, such as the corragh, a primitive boat that any civilization with the alphabet technology and a coastal city can build to immediately begin exploring the high seas.

So the Corragh is available to everyone. It also suggests that Seafaring civs will start with Alphabet

and seafaring, which gives bonuses to sea travel

Kind of vague, but it suggests some sort of free Magellen's voyage. I wish it gave bonuses to the food and production of coastal squares, but it probably just has chepaer harbors, etc, as well.

Edit2: Might as well show my sources for those screenshot about the Shogun civs.

Miyoshi

Everyone else

Also, the Daimyo is at one point Veteran, at another, a grand master.
 
Small addition to this great summary :goodjob: :
Temple of the Sun in Mesoamerican scenario will have two additional effects in addition to healing players troops like the Battlefield Medicine does:

- reducing war weariness (so there will be government with WW?),
- reducing corruption (hmm... Great Wonder as Forbidden Palace equivalent?).

from this PC IGN preview.
It will be highly contested wonder, no doubt (unless tweaked down a bit in beta tests).
 
I wish the people who actually make the game could be as informative as you guys who post on and run Civ Fanatics. One thing that's really bothering me are those screenshots of just the units, is that pikeman the Dutch or Portugese UU, is that foot knight a Crusader Conquest specific unit or is he generated by the Knights Templar, what about that Longboat could it be from the Crusades because the Vikings were major traders in Persia and Byzantium, why won't the game creators just answer our great questions? Maybe they will on Sep 17.

From when I'm wrighting it is 50 days until C3C.
 
No one who actually knows anything an say anything

Most this information has been from game reviews.
 
Well, when I listed them, I wasn't trying to get 18, just brainstorming. I just was coming out with possibilities. Sorry about the other, though. I've been thinking about other things lately (like school) and must have forgotten about that update. I have checked them, but I guess I forgot about that. However, Miyoshi Nagayoshi, for what I thought, was a general under the Murakami clan. Unfortunately, I can't find any referances anywhere of where he may have split off from them.
This could just be an incident of where Firaxis has given credit to the more famous figure. Just so that everyone's happy, I'll list six more significant clans.


Five more tribes (Unfortunately, the 18th tribe probably IS the Toyotomi. The reason why I say this is that, although he was only Shogun for a short period, did a LOT of foolish things, and had a short living clan, he did provide a big enough distraction to let Tokugowa Ieyesu to escape from his Hojo captives):

Murakami (Well, we already know that this one's called the Miyoshi Clan, but I still think that it should be called this. The Miyoshi family were generals under them, and apparently had close connections, as I've found that the Murakami's appointed a Miyoshi shogun, so there had to be strong family ties if they trusted the Miyoshi's this much. The Murakami clan is famous for challenging the Uesegwa and Takeda clans towards the shogunate. This clan was one of the first successful families to acquire the title of Shogunate)

Saito (after looking back at this one, he was quite significant. Saito Toshimata was a rich oil merchant. From what I read, he is famous for his treachery and his daughter's marriage with Oda Nobunga. This, in effect merged this clan with the Oda's, so I didn't mention it the other day.)

Ashikaga (first to challenge the authority of the Shogun. This was slightly before the Sengoku period, but not much. They were absorbed by the Tokugowa clan. Just so that the next part desn't sound confusing, Tokugowa Ieyasu was captured by the Hojo clan, which ended his clan. However, he restarted it when he escaped to Toyotomi during a battle. It seems that the Hojo began to trust him, and he rised to the rank of general. He then inherited Toyotomi Hideyoshi's clan)

Toyotomi (This is the tribe that Tokugowa split off from. I didn't mention it before because of that. This tribe challenged China and Korea! Their failure to set up Shoguns over there, and that they ruled over the sea, led to their failure to keep them. However, they plundered lots of goods from both of these places)

Ishida (I guess I forgot to mention this one... Nicknamed the Western Army. If you're wondering who the Eastern Army was, then you're forgetting who won this war. This was one of the final two. He caused big trouble for Tokugowa when Will Adams sold guns to the Ishida tribe. )


Just thought that you'd be interested. Here's the legend of how the Japanese Islands were created, direct from one of my sources:

The Japanese home islands themselves came into being when the gods Izanagi and Izanami stood on the bridge of heaven and stirred the waters of the Earth with a spear. The drops of water that fell from the spear tip gathered together to become the islands of Japan. The pair then descended and raised the spear as the centre pole of their house. Japan had been created.

Izanagi and Izanami had children. Their first born was Amateratsu, the Sun Goddess, but like all families there were problems: Izanagi slew his second child, the Fire God, who had caused his mother, Izanami, enormous pain when he was born. Izanami fled into the Underworld in grief at this killing. Susano-o, their other son, was given to fits of temper. His violent behaviour included throwing thunderbolts across the sky, and he even threw a dead horse at Amateratsu, forcing her to hide in a cave. With the Sun Goddess in hiding, the world was plunged into darkness. Amateratsu was eventually tricked out of her hiding place by the sight of her own beautiful reflection in a mirror and a necklace of precious jewels…

Susano-o did eventually make amends by slaying a great serpent with eight heads and tails. The serpent had a taste for young maidens and this, along with an equal appetite for sake. Susano-o used both to lure the serpent into a trap, then slew it once it was drunk! In hacking it to pieces, he discovered a sword embedded in its tail which he then gave to Amateratsu. This was the Ame no murakomo no tsurugi or "Cloud Cluster Sword."

As the first born child, Amateratsu inherited the earth and in time sent her grandson, Ninigi, to rule Japan. She gave him three gifts, the mirror, the jewels from the necklace and the "Cloud Cluster Sword" to make his task easier. These gifts from heaven became the Japanese Crown Jewels. Ninigi left heaven and ruled Japan, and the throne eventually passed to his grandson, Jimmu, who was the first earthly Emperor of Japan. He took the throne in 660BC on 11 February, a date which is still a public holiday in Japan. The current Emperor is a lineal descendant of this first Emperor.

In around 200BC, Emperor Sujin and his son Prince Yamato (later Emperor Keiko) are the agents of an important change in Japanese history. The nation at this time was composed of many clans, of which the strongest was the Imperial Yamato family. The Yamato (named for their home province in central Honshu) were one clan amongst many — but they claimed the right to rule because they were descended directly from the Sun Goddess, Amateratsu. Sujin was the first Emperor to appoint four generals to deal with rebels in his realm. Each general was given the title of Shogun (which can be translated as "Commander in Chief" at this point in history). Yamato Sujin is a figure partly of myth and partly of history. He is the prototype of later samurai heroes: a skilled and noble warrior, harried and hunted down by his many enemies who — although he comes to a tragic end — eventually has a worthwhile death.

The Sengoku period was started when Emperor Antoku drowned with the "Cloud Cluster Sword". The loss of this artifact was detrimental to the ruling family, and they essentually became figureheads like the king and queen of England. The Daimos ruled Japan from this point, and Japan was segmented into individual "famous" clans who controlled the serfs within their territory.
 
Maybe because they cant talk that's why the Dutch guy, or gal, in WW2 Pacific looks like Caesar because they dont want people to see the Dutch leaderhead until the game comes out, but that seems a little bit odd because they released the Incan, Mayan, Sumerian, and Hittite heads. Or maybe some aspects of the game will be different by the time the game comes out, that's what betas are they're tests, or maybe Sid Meier is an insane genius.
 
This doesn't really apply to any existing thread but I think it's a decent question. What new 'Conquests' are you guys planning on making, because if there isn't a Napoleonic Era, WW1, and WW2 Europe (or Blitzkrieg) conquests than I am designing them my self. I think CIV FANATICS should ask the best mod-makers on the site to attribute unit packs and ideas to conquests that don't come with the game, because a highly doubt there will be a World War One scenario. Then all of these mod-makers can start designing more difficult and easier versions of the conquest in question and post them. It's just a thought. ;)
 
There are still 2 or 3 Conquests that are unknown
 
They have two confirmed middle ages conquests, the Shogun on and the Crusades and possibly something to do with the 15th and 16th century. So I really hope they one about Napoleonic Europe because it's one of the greatest "conquests" of all time. And with the Pacific Theater they should have the Blitzkrieg which would end after within four months, so the time measurement should be weeks, if there is a WW2 Euro.
 
Originally posted by aeldrik
does anybody know what the windmill will be about??

cynical guess: cosmetic replacement for one of the more modern "50% increase to the city's production" improvements
 
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