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Constitution Discussion : Article G, Elections, Deputies, and Vacancies

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Demo Game V: Citizens' started by DaveShack, Jul 8, 2004.

  1. Sarevok

    Sarevok Civ3 Scenario Creator

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    I think when It comes to sacking there must be a just cause to the sack. "I dont like them" is not a just cause. Naturally, if the deputy cannot do their job doe to real-life issues then they are excused. However, if they are able to do the instructions, are asked to do them and yet do not.... then there should be an option sent to the President asking if the deputy can be sakced and replaced by someone appointed by the President or if the President allows it, the Minister themself.
     
  2. GenMarshall

    GenMarshall Night Elven Ghost Agent

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    I wish to thank Sarevok for getting back on topic.

    Anyway, Back on track.

    If the option to be sent to the president or if the president allows the minister to sack the deputy. There should be a system of checks and ballances so that this power to sack deputies is not to be abused.

    I would suggest two options.
    1. A council vote where all of the ministers vote on the sacking of the deputy in question
    2. A Public Poll where the citizens vote on the sacking of the deputy in question (Simmiler to the leader removal poll that we have currently)

    Oviously only one of the options would be used so I decided to just throw out into the open the solutions on the preventive measure on the abuse of power on sacking deputies.
     
  3. Sarevok

    Sarevok Civ3 Scenario Creator

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  4. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    I would like to settle this with several polls, then we can write the article using the results of the polls.

    Should we have deputies? yes/no/abstain

    How should deputies be chosen?
    • runner-up in election
    • leader appoints
    • edit: runner-up in election, but leader allowed to appoint someone instead
    • "running mate" -- leader and deputy elected as a team
    • separate election
    • other
    • abstain

    Should people be allowed to fill more than one office?
    Cumulative voting -- if all "YES" options add up to more than "NO" option, then yes option with highest vote total wins. If no exceeds all YES combined, then no multiple offices.
    • Yes - 1 leader and 1 deputy position
    • Yes - 1 leader, 1 deputy in different branch (governors treated as legislative for the purposes of divisions)
    • Yes - any combination except president and chief justice
    • No
    • Abstain

    Any comments on this plan?
     
  5. Noldodan

    Noldodan 2 years of waiting...

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    Dave, your "how should deputies be chosen" poll lacks my suggestion.
     
  6. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    OK, I edited in this alternative.
     
  7. GenMarshall

    GenMarshall Night Elven Ghost Agent

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    Umm DaveShack, the poll for deputies being selected have already been passed in favor of the "Runner-Up" system.
     
  8. Sarevok

    Sarevok Civ3 Scenario Creator

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    Indeed it did.
     
  9. Epimethius

    Epimethius Wish I Hadn't Been Here

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    But then, so did the poll on the 5CC, and its supporters brought that back twice. ;)
     
  10. Black_Hole

    Black_Hole Deity

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    once! and that was becasue it was in the list of variants
     
  11. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    I overlooked that poll, thanks for pointing it out. It's simple enough to write the final draft of the constitution taking into account that poll, and then if enough people are against it to stop ratification we can come back to the issue.
     
  12. Sarevok

    Sarevok Civ3 Scenario Creator

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    but what about polling the other issues?
     
  13. GenMarshall

    GenMarshall Night Elven Ghost Agent

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    The "Should people be allowed to fill more than one office?" has not been written into the polls yet. I beleve that is one of the "other" issues regarding the consitution in this section of the constitution.
     
  14. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    No comments against polling some "other issues", so I'll go do that now. :)
     
  15. gert-janl

    gert-janl Alive!!!

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    We should also poll whether citizens are allowed to participate in more than one election.
     
  16. GenMarshall

    GenMarshall Night Elven Ghost Agent

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    I beleve we should. There were variations of this rule since the days of DG 1.
    Here are the options I suggest for the polls.

    • Unlimited
    • Limited but more than 1 (Set amount to be decided on a later Poll)
    • A citizen should be in 1 election
    • Abstain
     
  17. Sarevok

    Sarevok Civ3 Scenario Creator

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    sounds good, get it set up.
     

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