CotM request: Korea

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Can Korea be the COTM in the not-too distant future. They haven't been used yet and I need a reason to play with their H'wacha :) .
 
With the COTMs, we've worked through all the new Civs (including Austria) and have started working through all the Civs who've had their traits altered, the first being Scandinavia (now Sea/Mil, instead of Exp/Mil).

Those left are:
Iroquois (now Agr/Com, instead of Rel/Exp) - was GOTM37
England (now Com/Sea, instead of Com/Exp) - was GOTM36
Celts (now Agr/Rel, instead of Rel/Mil) - currently in SGOTM6, but no recent GOTMs
Aztecs (now Agr/Mil, instead of Rel/Mil, and Jags cost 15 shields) - was GOTM32
Carthage (now Sea/Ind, instead of Exp/Ind) - no GOTMs since COTM started, they're my bet for next up
Spain (now Rel/Sea, instead of Rel/Exp) - no GOTMs since COTM started, another good bet

Did I miss any?

So Korea are a long way off yet.

Neil. :cool:
 
eldar said:
With the COTMs, we've worked through all the new Civs (including Austria) and have started working through all the Civs who've had their traits altered, the first being Scandinavia (now Sea/Mil, instead of Exp/Mil).

Those left are:
Iroquois (now Agr/Com, instead of Rel/Exp) - was GOTM37
England (now Com/Sea, instead of Com/Exp) - was GOTM36
Celts (now Agr/Rel, instead of Rel/Mil) - currently in SGOTM6, but no recent GOTMs
Aztecs (now Agr/Mil, instead of Rel/Mil, and Jags cost 15 shields) - was GOTM32
Carthage (now Sea/Ind, instead of Exp/Ind) - no GOTMs since COTM started, they're my bet for next up
Spain (now Rel/Sea, instead of Rel/Exp) - no GOTMs since COTM started, another good bet

Did I miss any?

So Korea are a long way off yet.

Neil. :cool:
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:hmm: However we just had a seafaring civ in COTM9. This decreases chances of Spain and Carthage. I would say that Celts is a more likely candidate. But on another hand we are at the bottom of difficulty curve and Celts are too strong (agricaltural and UU). In last games there is a tendency to compenstate diffculty levels by starting positions/conditions, so Celts on regent would feel strange. Honestly, I would not bet for any of them. But I guess we will know soon, there are 8 days left, so pre-game discussion thread should be open soon.
 
I like the idea. Korea didn't change traits, but the UU saw a huge change, and such, Korea is definitely different in C3C.
And I agree with Solenoozeroc that England/Spain/Carthage would be SEA again, and Celts, Iros and Aztecs AGR again, like CotM 5,6 and 8.
So Korea would be indeed more different.
 
I collected stats for COTM and found next civ traits were used:
Sea - 4
Agr - 4
Exp - 3
Mil - 2
Sci - 2
Ind - 2
Com - 1
Rel - 0

So Commercial and Religious traits are the more rarely using in COTMs.
There is one civilization with this traits: India. It's a classic civ but last game with it was GOTM28. So if we want to refresh our games we can try it.
 
Dynamic said:
I collected stats for COTM and found next civ traits were used:
Sea - 4
Agr - 4
Exp - 3
Mil - 2
Sci - 2
Ind - 2
Com - 1
Rel - 0

So Commercial and Religious traits are the more rarely using in COTMs.
There is one civilization with this traits: India. It's a classic civ but last game with it was GOTM28. So if we want to refresh our games we can try it.
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Korea is COM SCI so it is close to the bottom as well. In it's favor, it hasn't been in any G/CotM so I think it's due.
 
Check the page for that game before you play. That was in the days when GOTMs were modded, so you'll need the mod pack for your software version. If you play in Civ3 my All-in-One GOTM installer will set you up, you'll just have to swap the resources graphics files. If you play in PtW I think you'll need to install a sequence of four mod packs from GOTM21 to 24.
 
Didn't C3C add lethal bombardment for H'wachas? If so, that's a pretty big change, and might serve to move Korea higher up on the to-do list.

Edit: I see Doc T said the same thing, at least if I read his implication right. Anyway, using Korea might be a good idea just ebcause it would "force" people to make use of artillery (and I say that as someone who chronically neglects the use of artillery).
 
Jason Fliegel said:
Didn't C3C add lethal bombardment for H'wachas? If so, that's a pretty big change, and might serve to move Korea higher up on the to-do list.
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H'wachas have always had lethal bombardment, would've been difficult for Korea to get a unit-started GA otherwise.
 
The mods for PtW and Vanilla for GOTM 24 gave H'wacha lethal bombardment, if I recall. They can't be captured by the enemy, of course, so they are destroyed if caught.
 
Hwacha's did not have lethal bombardment in unmodded PTW/vanilla. So no GA from that for the Koreans. Stinky, innit?

Renata
 
Let me think of any civilizations that are only been used ONCE in classic GOTM.

Japan, Persia, Romans, Babylon, Arab, etc. are rarely used civs in GOTM.
Any Civilizations that modified their traits and UU are probably more likely to be featured in COTM.
 
In case your interested in who has been used and at what levels:

GOTM History

Game # Civ Level
1 Persians Regent
2 Greeks Monarch
3 Chinese Regent
4 English Emperor
5 America Monarch
6 Indians Warlord
7 Iroquois Diety
8 Germans Monarch
9 Egyptian Emperor
10 French Regent
11 Japanese Emperor
12 Zulus Monarch
13 Aztecs Monarch
14 Babylon Diety
15 Russia Monarch
16 Romans Emperor
17 Carthage Regent
18 Celts Monarch
19 Ottoman Emperor
20 Spain Diety
21 Greece Monarch
22 Vikings DemiGod
23 Arabs Monarch
24 Korea Emperor
25 Mongols DemiGod
26 Chinese Diety
27 America Monarch
28 Indians Monarch
29 Egyptian Emperor
30 Spain Monarch
31 France Emperor
32 Aztecs Monarch
33 Greece Emperor
34 Zulus Regent
35 Ottoman Monarch
36 English Emperor
37 Iroquois Diety
38 Chinese Emperor
39 Germans Monarch
40 Greece Regent

COTM History

Game # Civ Level
1 Hittite Regent
2 Dutch Monarch
3 ByzantineDemi-God
4 Maya Monarch
5 Inca Regent
6 Portugal Monarch
7 Austria Emperor
8 Sumeria Demi-God
9 Vikings Monarch
10 Mongols Monarch
 
denyd said:
In case your interested in who has been used and at what levels:
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I've noticed the CotM is a wussified GotM :lol: . Lots of Demigod/Diety back in the day. (I would've died.)
 
Indeed the COTM is in dire need of a Deity game. *cough*

Renata
 
Remember the desire to keep COTM & GOTM at different of the difficulty levels so that the newbies don't get left out during a month. With last GOTM being at Regent, I expected COTM to be above Emperor. Now with COTM being at Monarch, I'm expecting the next GOTM to be Emperor or up.

What would not be a good thing is having concurrent games above the emperor. A lot of people (myself included) would either not be playing or would be done quite early.

If you look at the history, you have to wonder what the Iroquois did to piss off the staff. Both games have been at deity and the first was in a bad starting location where you had to guess right to get horses before the AI got to the only ones local to your start.
 
Due to the staggering of start dates, it's impossible to have no instances of concurrent monarch/regent games or concurrent emperor plus games. Especially with more than one person designing the maps (and thus choosing the levels) now, some overlap is inevitable.

Renata
 
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