Cought in the middle of 2 world wars

[Flak509]

Hello ive recently taken the junp from emperor to demigod, the first game i had was ok, i was never really in danger and it ended with a 3rd place by score, so far so good.

My 2nd and also current game is a different kettle of fish.
Im in the center of a pangea, with the 2 stongest civ right on my borders. The Japanese to the west and french to the east. Whats left of the Carthagians are to the north and the remains of the byzantines to the far west.
The Japanese and the french have gone togeather and smash the cartagians and the byzantines. Im the middle of it all with no safe side to take. I am not strong enough to hold of on 2 fronts, and both japan and france have attacked me before. Luckily when france attacked everybody sided against them, but they withstood the whole of me (portugal), japan, carthage, mongolia and byzans. japan also attacked me awhile back, i was lucky to just have riflemen and held them off with heavy use of canons. But next time wont be so easy they now have sworms of infantry and they all cross my land to attack carthage.

Now theres 200 turns to go, who is the better horse in your oppion to bet on when the next war between Japan and France is declared.
check out my save file and pics

 

[Flak509]

the north front/french passage to carthage

 

[Flak509]

the west front/border with japan

 

[Flak509]

the east front/border with france

 

[Flak509]

the frontline at carthage

 

[Flak509]

the byzatine area

 

[Flak509]

the pic speaks for it self

 

[qoou]

Pay the Aztecs to ally v. France and wait for them to waste their troops on each other?

 

[vmxa]

You would be in better shape if you did not research Medicine and Sanitation and instead beelined for RP. You are at a stage where you will need to defend and Infantry do it so much better than rifles.

What can you say about artie over all the prior bombardment stuff, a MUST. A bonus, you get 50% faster workers at a time when you are railing the land.

You should not be building Colosseum and I would not have build cathedral's either. That is units you could be using to get some land or at least keep some land.

I do not build Police Station at any time, that is just crazy. Lisbon has 12 happy faces and 6 unhappy, what is the point is so many happy faces? The place is a metro, so it will soon have plenty of specialist anyway.

It does have lots of not required happy structures, it does NOT have a coal plant that could add more shields.

You have about 140 defensive units and about 15 offensive units, not counting the armies, tough to take anyone out at DG with that attack force. Darn few cannons either. With rails, those could have a huge impact.

I would prefer to see workers stacked together so they can get a tile railed in one turn. I would have ganged them to get my borders railed asap. I would not have them working on a mountains on the border that can wait for a better time.

I would see if I could get an RoP with Japan along with an alliance against Carthage. This lets you cross their land and take a town or two and be sure to eliminate Hannibal, as the AI likes to make peace without finishing the job.

Then you can decide to go against France or Japan. That give you time to get RP.

 

[D0NIMATRIX]

vmxa pretty much summed it up. All I can add is that in the event of war, you might want to know this.

 

[Flak509]

You would be in better shape if you did not research Medicine and Sanitation and instead beelined for RP. You are at a stage where you will need to defend and Infantry do it so much better than rifles.

What can you say about artie over all the prior bombardment stuff, a MUST. A bonus, you get 50% faster workers at a time when you are railing the land.

You should not be building Colosseum and I would not have build cathedral's either. That is units you could be using to get some land or at least keep some land.

I do not build Police Station at any time, that is just crazy. Lisbon has 12 happy faces and 6 unhappy, what is the point is so many happy faces? The place is a metro, so it will soon have plenty of specialist anyway.

It does have lots of not required happy structures, it does NOT have a coal plant that could add more shields.

You have about 140 defensive units and about 15 offensive units, not counting the armies, tough to take anyone out at DG with that attack force. Darn few cannons either. With rails, those could have a huge impact.

I would prefer to see workers stacked together so they can get a tile railed in one turn. I would have ganged them to get my borders railed asap. I would not have them working on a mountains on the border that can wait for a better time.

I would see if I could get an RoP with Japan along with an alliance against Carthage. This lets you cross their land and take a town or two and be sure to eliminate Hannibal, as the AI likes to make peace without finishing the job.

Then you can decide to go against France or Japan. That give you time to get RP.

Normally i would agree that sanitaion is not primary but i needed it for my economy and i wanted all my railroad to to count for something. i took nationalism,steam,medicine,sanitation,industialization,communism,eletricity,

maybe im oldfashioned but i like to build cathedrals to make sure i wont get any problems with unhappyness even if i loose all my traded luxuries, im preparing to stand alone if i have to, so i decided to squize out all the shields i can with having police stations.

My siege weapons needs opgraded, i captured alot from the americans early in the game, i need them opgraded to cannons and artillery but my economy has not been strong enough for along time in the middleages it was barely stong enough and still i get most of my surplus from trades.

Hehe Japan doesnt trust me you see i made a sneak attack on america in the early periods of the game.

 

[vmxa]

Flak509, it is not a question of liking cathedrals, they just cost 160 shields and you should be making attackers instead. Unhappiness is not a problem, only an annoyance.

Police Station again are just slowing down your attack, forget them. In fact I do not see the need for lots of factories. Just build them in the few places that can get some real use of them.

Think about how can I get to kicking butt quickest?

As to your Rep, you just have to not lose it. Even in an AW I will not tarnish my rep, that is part of the rules for most SG games and I stick to it in my own games. It is good training.

I would not research Nat. I would start with Steam, the most important tech in the age. Then straight to RP. Most of the time, I will not do Ind before RP, unless I have such a strong position I can afford it first.

I forget if this was DG or not, but you have civs on all sides, so Itchi Bon, number one, is rails and Itchi Nee, number two is Infantry. RP gives three big items that I want asap.

Faster workers, artillery and infantry. Once I get those and rails, the AI is not going to beat me.

 

[Flak509]

Flak509, it is not a question of liking cathedrals, they just cost 160 shields and you should be making attackers instead. Unhappiness is not a problem, only an annoyance.

Police Station again are just slowing down your attack, forget them. In fact I do not see the need for lots of factories. Just build them in the few places that can get some real use of them.

Think about how can I get to kicking butt quickest?

As to your Rep, you just have to not lose it. Even in an AW I will not tarnish my rep, that is part of the rules for most SG games and I stick to it in my own games. It is good training.

I would not research Nat. I would start with Steam, the most important tech in the age. Then straight to RP. Most of the time, I will not do Ind before RP, unless I have such a strong position I can afford it first.

I forget if this was DG or not, but you have civs on all sides, so Itchi Bon, number one, is rails and Itchi Nee, number two is Infantry. RP gives three big items that I want asap.

Faster workers, artillery and infantry. Once I get those and rails, the AI is not going to beat me.

hey vmxa, ive looked my cities over, i may be able to do with colloseums, but their build now and at least i dont face cultural takeovers.

I never thought about going directly for RP, i usually go for Nat to get the rifles first. too late anyway i got RP now but its a tip ima try out next time.

I had some luck with the french war on carthage, they razed 2 cities and i stole the spots.

My objective now is flight, not for my own bombers i have so much artillery but for fighters for defence because japan and france between them have my entire area in range.

Now who should i pick against the other, I have Salamanca behind japan and could attack them in the back, but with france im 2 squares away from paris and could strike there easily. Paris will be held by many units but a full scale attack with most of my artillery, armies and support units it should be possible.

Quite the opposite i fight dirty, i like blitzkrieg and i never declare a war that im not ready for. The first 3-5 turns of a war will decided the outcome if you stike hard enough then even a stronger opponent can be defeated before the superior force become a problem.

 

[vmxa]

Flak509

Don't forget that not only did you spent the time and shields for those structure and denied yourself troops, but now you are paying maint for them.
Col+Cath is 3gpt per town. So you could be spending 30gpt or more, that is not insignificant.

The best way to prevent flip is to kill your neighbor.

As far as fighters go, they are not very good. I prefer to use flaks for air defense. They can be moved to any town that needs them and they can go with your troops.

If both civs are about the same, then I prefer to clear France as they are behind you and you have less land to clear.


"Quite the opposite i fight dirty, i like blitzkrieg and i never declare a war that im not ready for. The first 3-5 turns of a war will decided the outcome if you stike hard enough then even a stronger opponent can be defeated before the superior force become a problem."

There is no need to break the rules and it just makes you a stronger player to have some conventions and stick to them. The outcome of any war that I start is forgone or I would not start it.

It is the ones they start that I have to worry about. Now it is not an issue in an AW game as you declare upon contact and never make peace. When you have had to post turn sets with details of your actions, you need to be able to have no exploits. I was doing this, since Civ3 came out and it is not a problem.

Most players in most games are going to have opportunities to make some trades through out much of the game. This is easier, if they have not lost their rep.

 

[vmxa]

I should also mention that it is not so much that you do not want to spend the shields, it is the timing of those techs. Col and Cath come in at point that you cannot really afford to build those structures and yet so many player will.

Even a culture victory does nto need them, except in the 20k city. You get the 100K from lots of temples and do not need col/cath.

You can come back later when you have more production and build them if you must.

They are not a flip aid IMO, because the places you can build them in should ot be at risk to flip. In border towns, you won't be building them and so they do not prevent flips.

In short a case for them cannot be made. Especially Colosseum's.

 

[Flak509]

Just to let you know vmxa the game is over now.

The end game was me and france taking on japan and they got leveled just before the end of the game. I held france from a domination victory, they had 55% land me 45% as i had luck taking alot of japanese cities.

In the end score France was 1st, Portugal (me) 2nd, Japan 3rd.

so all in all not too bad
thanks for the advice

 

[vmxa]

Sounds like you got something useful out of the game. Did you happen to have any saves from an earlier point in the game that you would be willing to post?

I may have some more free time next week and could take a run at it.

 

[Flak509]

yeah i do but ive started a new game so i lost the autosave and i use only one save per game and thats too ancient, it starts just as the war with japan has set off

the .sav file is too big for the forum, id email you it, pm me ur email

 

[vmxa]

You can use the upload for up 10mb, it is at the bottom of the page. The older the better. Thanks

 

[Flak509]

thats what i throught too but it only allows zipfiles of 300kb and its 331kb and sav files of 500kb and its 550kb so i donno