Could ireland be added to the game

[irish-dojo]

I was just wondering why Ireland is not in civ iv , yes ireland has never attack a country ever in the history of the world but we have had more inpact on the world then most countries that have . Over 60 million people cliam irish routes and ireland was one of the first countries that england attacked and didnt get full control of .

I have seen people asking for canada mexico and austraila so why not ireland we have had a bigger inpact then most of them countries ( no offence to them )

 

[Molybdeus]

Ireland has -to my knowledge- never actually been united under a single domestic ruler. See High King of Ireland on Wikipedia. As much as I love Father Ted, Ireland has not had a significant impact on world culture either.

I am a big fan of adding new "kingdoms" with new traits to the game that can develop on the fringes of existing "empires" instead of the existing mechanic of having barbarian cities spring up. Thus Scotland or Ireland might show up in unsettled territory on the periphery of England. That would be a historically satisfying way to add them to the game. It would also make isolated starts more interesting.

Other examples: Poland as a kingdom for the German empire, Ukraine as a kingdom for the Russian Empire, Tibet as a kingdom for the Chinese empire, Canada as a kingdom for the American empire, etc.

 

[ButSam]

Ireland is forbidden from being added to the game...

Unless you add a North Irish faction! LOL

There is nothing stopping a modder from adding in Ireland in the game, and making their traits be such that they are quite peaceful -- to make this mod, I recommend duplicating Gandhi as a starting point (of course the leaderhead needs a lot of work, but the rest of Gandhi seems to fit the Irish the best of all the leaders in vanilla Civ) and make tweaks to the traits, change the UU and UB, etc to best fit the Irish.

I like the above poster's idea of nearby kingdoms. Prussia could be a German kingdom, and they could properly move Frederick to be over Prussia instead of Germany!

 

[Antilogic]

I was just wondering why Ireland is not in civ iv , yes ireland has never attack a country ever in the history of the world but we have had more inpact on the world then most countries that have . Over 60 million people cliam irish routes and ireland was one of the first countries that england attacked and didnt get full control of .

I have seen people asking for canada mexico and austraila so why not ireland we have had a bigger inpact then most of them countries ( no offence to them )

I'd bet you could find an Irish Civ somewhere in the downloads database or over in the Creation and Customization forum. People beg for their home countries to be represented if they aren't already--you probably just saw some Canadian, Mexican, or Australian posters.

 

[Camikaze]

I think it is a relatively common question- Why isn't my country in civ? The answer is simple. It isn't important enough. All civilizations in the game have been exceptionally important to the history of the world, or exceptionally important to their respective regions. So, whilst Ireland may be quite important, quite important doesn't cut it for inclusion in the game. It is just not on the same level.

Having said that, there isn't anything stopping Ireland being included in the game as a mod. In fact, I have downloaded Civ Gold v3 from here and it has an Irish civ. Here is a link to an Irish civ, and another.

 

[Lemon Merchant]

Ireland is forbidden from being added to the game...

Unless you add a North Irish faction! LOL

Oh, yes. Add even more diplo problems to the game...

Seriously though, Ireland? What historically significant thing have we really done? Much of our historical significance has been overshadowed by England and our "inclusion" in the UK. (I am not going to expound on that. No flame-bait from me.)

I love my home, but culturally, politically, and historically, we're just not that important to the world stage to be included. The same with Canada, where I now live. Oh well, that's what mods are for. Maybe someday, I'll move to a "Civ" country! I wonder what that'll be like?

 

[Kornaki]

Civ gives everyone living in a civ country .000000000001% of their profits as a copyright guarantee (to use the country in their game). I got my check for a halfpence last week

 

[Lemon Merchant]

Civ gives everyone living in a civ country .000000000001% of their profits as a copyright guarantee (to use the country in their game). I got my check for a halfpence last week

Only a halfpence? Sales must be down.

I guess it isn't worth it to move...

 

[6K Man]

Maybe someday, I'll move to a "Civ" country! I wonder what that'll be like?

For most of them, no fun at all.

 

[Willem]

The Irish are already represented by the Celts, they don't need to be a specific civ in the game.

 

[Lemon Merchant]

The Irish are already represented by the Celts, they don't need to be a specific civ in the game.

Um, the Celts are not specifically from Ireland. They are from many places, though they did range as far west as Ireland. Boudica was from East Anglia, (or part of Wales, depending on the source) if I remember correctly. How she got equated with Ireland is beyond me...

Everything I can find on Brennus suggests that while he was a Gaul, he did most of his work in beating up Macedonians and Greeks. Hmmm. And I don't remember him from school when I was a young girl back home.

In the game, the culture that they are associated with is somewhat Irish/Gaelic, but AFAIK, they weren't really Irish at all. One more Civ inaccuracy...

 

[Willem]

Um, the Celts are not specifically from Ireland.

The Celts may not be Irish, but the Irish were Celts. They don't need to be a seperate civ in the game.

They are from many places, though they did range as far west as Ireland.

They had a loosely-based empire stretching from the Black Sea all the way to Ireland.

 

[6K Man]

The Americans are already represented by the English, so they don't need to be a specific/separate civilization, either.

 

[Willem]

The Americans are already represented by the English, so they don't need to be a specific/separate civilization, either.

That's like comparing apples to oranges. A Celt from Gaul had much more in common with a Celt from Ireland than an American does with any Englishman. They may speak the same language, but their cultures have taken them in a decidely different direction since America broke away from England. You'd have to awfully blind not to recognise that.

 

[Molybdeus]

I don't like America being in the game either (even though I'm American) but I think they have always been included because of sales and the US being the country it was made in. If it were made in Laos that country would be in the game.

That's like comparing apples to oranges. A Celt from Gaul had much more in common with a Celt from Ireland than an American does with any Englishman. They may speak the same language, but their cultures have taken them in a decidely different direction since America broke away from England. You'd have to awfully blind not to recognise that.

Baseball is a variant of cricket, [American] football is a derivation of rugby, the American accent is actually closer to the English accent of the 1600's than current "English-English" accents, etc. While it's true that US culture has evolved considerably, America is no more different from England than northern and southern China are from each other. I don't think the US, Canada, Australia and the UK qualify as distinct civilizations.

 

[6K Man]

That's like comparing apples to oranges. A Celt from Gaul had much more in common with a Celt from Ireland than an American does with any Englishman. They may speak the same language, but their cultures have taken them in a decidely different direction since America broke away from England. You'd have to awfully blind not to recognise that.

I'm sure Celts from Gaul would have said that they are quite different from Irish Celts, just as Americans and Englishmen see themselves as quite different. To someone from, say, Ghana or Sri Lanka, they seem quite the same.

I suspect that your impression of the differences between Americans and Englishmen stems from the fact that you are Canadian. Canada is a country that sees itself as distinct from the USA and UK, but the three are pretty much the same culture if you ask someone from Africa or Asia.

 

[Continental Op]

I am not american but I must say it is the strongest geopolitical player of modern days, and deserves to be in the game with it's three leaders. I'm from a country not represented in the game (Finland is kind of represented by the Vikings, but that's like Celts and Ireland) but I don't think we deserve to be there, either, even though there are many civilizations in the game that in my opinion would not deserve to be there either.

 

[binhthuy71]

Irish monks in the fifth century preserved most of Western classical poetry, history, oratory, philosophy and commentary through the chaos that followed the fall of the Roman Empire. As stability returned to the continent they were instrumental in reacquainting Europe with this literature. The Irish played a crucial role in what we think of as Western culture.
The book How the Irish Saved Civilization: The Untold Story of Ireland's Heroic Role from the Fall of Rome to the Rise of Medieval Europe, by Thomas Cahill, recounts this hinge of history as well as providing background on the origins of Ireland.
That Ireland was never a big player on the world stage is true. That they were hugely influential is a matter of history. Does Ireland belong in CivIV? It does if you want it to.

 

[YTB]

How the heck are America, Canada, and the UK so similar as to be considered the same culture? Some differences for you.

America- Has always had a democratic republican form of government, except when it was a collection of colonies of the UK. - Is made up of multiple states, each with a slightly different culture. For example, most Southeners are religious, though not all. - Has citizens coming from as close as Central America and as far as China and earby countries. -According to Wikipedia, has no "official" language.

Canada- Is made up of several provinces. I am unsure if each is different in any way besides climate. - Recognizes the English Monarch less than most conutries would and more how the UK does. - From my knowledge, is just as, if not more, diverse than America, sporting two official languages (English and French).

Britain- Has been a Monarchy, a Constitutional Monarchy, and whateer you'd call the setup now. - Is made up of two countries (England and Scotland), Wales, a chunk of Ireland, and a crap-ton of other islands, most of which probably used to belong to half-naked guys that never heard of Europe or the horros that had occured there (No offense to Europeans). - Most of it's legal residents (So those half-naked guys don't count unless they got citizenship somehow) probably ether speak English, Scotish, or a little Irish (For Northern Ireland). I could be wrong on that one.

 

[Molybdeus]

The problem is that you can find plenty of differences between the Chinese peoples from the Yellow and Yangtze rivers, or Bavarians and the Frisian Germans, or Parisians and the French in Gascony. That doesn't mean they are part of different civilizations.

I've lived in Seattle and Vancouver, and they are much more similar than Seattle and Dallas or Vancouver and Montreal. There are minor differences between the anglo countries. But generic Canadian and generic Americans are more similar to each other than either is to a French Canadian, and that's because the differences between the two pale in comparison to the differences between real disparate cultures such as French and English.